From owner-ftp-alumni@asylum.apocalypse.org Mon Jun 1 17:30:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by asylum.apocalypse.org (8.8.6/8.8.5) id RAA05856 for ftp-alumni-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 17:30:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: asylum.apocalypse.org: majordom set sender to owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org using -f Received: from rtp-cse-222.cisco.com (rtp-cse-222.cisco.com [171.68.109.104]) by asylum.apocalypse.org (8.8.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA05837 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 17:30:05 -0400 Received: (from tgage@localhost) by rtp-cse-222.cisco.com (8.8.5/CA/950118) id RAA28448; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 17:30:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19980601173002.18296@cisco.com> Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 17:30:02 -0400 From: Timothy Gage To: ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org Subject: OpenView for Windows adopts ACE*COMM WINSNMP stack Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e Sender: owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org Precedence: bulk Folks, Looks like goodbye to FTPs WinSNMP finally. Regards, Tim FAQ: OpenView for Windows adopts ACE*COMM WINSNMP stack ======================================================= I'm pleased to announce our intent to adopt the ACE*COMM WINSNMP stack for an upcoming release of OpenView for Windows (2nd half 1998). Our OpenView installation will be modified to install (or overwrite with) ACE*COMM WINSNMP components instead of those from FTP Software. WHAT DOES THIS MEAN TO ME? * Any OpenView applications you have previously compiled using the FTP WINSNMP library WILL CONTINUE TO RUN AS THEY ALWAYS HAVE on previous, present, and future versions of OpenView for Windows. This includes 16-bit apps, 32-bit apps, and apps utilizing our VBX controls. * New OpenView apps linked with the ACE*COMM libraries will run correctly under versions of OpenView still using the FTP Software WINSNMP DLLs. * Developers creating or recompiling OpenView for Windows applications are encouraged to link and test their applications with the ACE*COMM WINSNMP libraries and DLLs. You can choose to continue linking with the FTP WINSNMP libraries we have previously distributed, however. WHAT ABOUT SUPPORT FOR WINSNMP ISSUES? * The FTP WINSNMP stack will no longer be supported. Moving to the ACE*COMM stack will be a mandatory first-step in the troubleshooting process for WINSNMP-related issues. * ACE*COMM's 16-bit version of the WINSNMP library is code-frozen. ACE*COMM will be able to assist you with questions and work-arounds for issues that may arise, but no future releases are planned. * HP will no longer be your first contact for WINSNMP-related questions or support. In the future, please direct these inquiries to: WHY ARE YOU CHANGING TO ACE*COMM? ACE*COMM's stack has become an industry leader. Their developer kit is a complete package of sample code, documentation, and source libraries. It also includes the appropriate tools for utilizing the object-oriented SNMP++ "wrapper" standard that you may have heard about. DOES THIS AFFECT MY OEM DISTRIBUTION AGREEMENT? No. You may see information in the ACE*COMM developer kit describing royalties that must be paid to ACE*COMM when you distribute their stack. This does not affect you as an OpenView for Windows developer, because we install the required runtime files for you when the user installs OpenView. Your OEM agreement with HP does not require or allow for your distributing WINSNMP runtime components (DLL's, etc). WHAT RUNTIME FILES ARE REQUIRED BY ACE*COMM'S STACK? For Win95: WINSNMP.DLL and WSNMP32.DLL For WinNT: WINSNMP.DLL, WSNMP32.DLL, and SNMPTRAP.EXE (replaces NT's) All of these files are included in the WINSNMP developer kits. From owner-ftp-alumni@asylum.apocalypse.org Wed Jun 3 11:30:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by asylum.apocalypse.org (8.8.6/8.8.5) id LAA00382 for ftp-alumni-outgoing; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 11:30:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: asylum.apocalypse.org: majordom set sender to owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org using -f Received: from mercury.mv.net (root@mercury.mv.net [199.125.85.40]) by asylum.apocalypse.org (8.8.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA00378 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 11:30:29 -0400 Received: from karres (bnh-3-25.mv.com [199.125.99.153]) by mercury.mv.net (8.8.8/mem-971025) with SMTP id LAA18220; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 11:28:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806031528.LAA18220@mercury.mv.net> X-MAPI-MessageClass: IPM To: tgage@cisco.com, ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org X-Mailer: FTP Software Internet Mail 2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Michael "S." Greenberg Subject: RE: OpenView for Windows adopts ACE*COMM WINSNMP stack Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 11:27:55 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by asylum.apocalypse.org id LAA00379 Sender: owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org Precedence: bulk Now that Mary Quinn and I are gone they didn't have anyone who could maintain it anyway. I wonder if they even noticed this... Mike >>Reply to your message of 6/1/98 4:40 PM > Folks, > Looks like goodbye to FTPs WinSNMP finally. > > Regards, > Tim > > FAQ: OpenView for Windows adopts ACE*COMM WINSNMP stack > ======================================================= > > I'm pleased to announce our intent to adopt the ACE*COMM WINSNMP stack > for an upcoming release of OpenView for Windows (2nd half 1998). Our > OpenView installation will be modified to install (or overwrite with) > ACE*COMM WINSNMP components instead of those from FTP Software. > > WHAT DOES THIS MEAN TO ME? > * Any OpenView applications you have previously compiled using the FTP > WINSNMP library WILL CONTINUE TO RUN AS THEY ALWAYS HAVE on previous, > present, and future versions of OpenView for Windows. This includes > 16-bit apps, 32-bit apps, and apps utilizing our VBX controls. > > * New OpenView apps linked with the ACE*COMM libraries will run > correctly under versions of OpenView still using the FTP Software > WINSNMP DLLs. > > * Developers creating or recompiling OpenView for Windows applications > are encouraged to link and test their applications with the ACE*COMM > WINSNMP libraries and DLLs. You can choose to continue linking with the > FTP WINSNMP libraries we have previously distributed, however. > > WHAT ABOUT SUPPORT FOR WINSNMP ISSUES? > * The FTP WINSNMP stack will no longer be supported. Moving to the > ACE*COMM stack will be a mandatory first-step in the troubleshooting > process for WINSNMP-related issues. > > * ACE*COMM's 16-bit version of the WINSNMP library is code-frozen. > ACE*COMM will be able to assist you with questions and work-arounds for > issues that may arise, but no future releases are planned. > > * HP will no longer be your first contact for WINSNMP-related questions > or support. In the future, please direct these inquiries to: > > WHY ARE YOU CHANGING TO ACE*COMM? > ACE*COMM's stack has become an industry leader. Their developer kit is > a complete package of sample code, documentation, and source libraries. > It also includes the appropriate tools for utilizing the > object-oriented SNMP++ "wrapper" standard that you may have heard about. > > DOES THIS AFFECT MY OEM DISTRIBUTION AGREEMENT? > No. You may see information in the ACE*COMM developer kit describing > royalties that must be paid to ACE*COMM when you distribute their > stack. This does not affect you as an OpenView for Windows developer, > because we install the required runtime files for you when the user > installs OpenView. Your OEM agreement with HP does not require or allow > for your distributing WINSNMP runtime components (DLL's, etc). > > WHAT RUNTIME FILES ARE REQUIRED BY ACE*COMM'S STACK? > For Win95: WINSNMP.DLL and WSNMP32.DLL > For WinNT: WINSNMP.DLL, WSNMP32.DLL, and SNMPTRAP.EXE (replaces NT's) > All of these files are included in the WINSNMP developer kits. > > > > >>End of message Michael S. Greenberg / mgreenberg@acm.org From owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org Thu Jun 11 13:46:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by apocalypse.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) id NAA08470 for ftp-alumni-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 13:46:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: apocalypse.org: majordom set sender to owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org using -f Received: from antiochus-fe0.ultra.net (antiochus-fe0.ultra.net [146.115.8.188]) by apocalypse.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA08466 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 13:46:03 -0400 Received: from boss (d200.dial-5.cmb.ma.ultra.net [209.6.68.200]) by antiochus-fe0.ultra.net (8.8.8/ult.n14767) with SMTP id NAA03228 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 13:46:01 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Larry Backman" From: "Larry Backman" To: Subject: Shareholders meeting summary please Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 13:41:42 -0400 Message-ID: <01bd9560$32493720$a67c7f80@boss> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org Precedence: bulk Could an attendee be so kinds as to summarize any content which might have been exposed. Not interested in Hazard fluff... From owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org Thu Jun 11 13:57:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by apocalypse.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) id NAA09363 for ftp-alumni-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 13:57:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: apocalypse.org: majordom set sender to owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org using -f Received: from precision.guesswork.com (root@Precision.GUESSWORK.Com [209.218.15.100]) by apocalypse.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA09357 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 13:57:53 -0400 Received: from woburn.guesswork.com (Woburn.GUESSWORK.Com [209.218.15.126]) by precision.guesswork.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA12667; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 13:57:37 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980611135920.0075fc4c@guesswork.com> X-Sender: stev@guesswork.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 13:59:20 -0400 To: "Larry Backman" , From: stev knowles Subject: Re: Shareholders meeting summary please In-Reply-To: <01bd9560$32493720$a67c7f80@boss> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org Precedence: bulk >Could an attendee be so kinds as to summarize any content which might >have been exposed. i didnt go, but they lost money, and they view their prospects going forward as positive now that they finally have a handle on things. From owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org Fri Jun 12 07:30:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by apocalypse.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) id HAA17569 for ftp-alumni-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 07:30:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: apocalypse.org: majordom set sender to owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org using -f Received: from navisite.net (mail1.navisite.net [205.139.29.86]) by apocalypse.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA17565 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 07:30:43 -0400 Received: from galileo.cmgi.com (galileo.cmgi.com [206.25.87.14]) by navisite.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA27153; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 07:32:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from adsmart.net (wf206.cmgi.com [206.25.92.206]) by galileo.cmgi.com with ESMTP id HAA18202; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 07:30:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <358111B4.1D2865BC@adsmart.net> Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 07:32:04 -0400 From: "James J. Momenee-DuPrie" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: stev knowles CC: Larry Backman , ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org Subject: Re: Shareholders meeting summary please References: <3.0.3.32.19980611135920.0075fc4c@guesswork.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org Precedence: bulk no stev, thats a flashback. That was last year (and the year before..) JD stev knowles wrote: > > >Could an attendee be so kinds as to summarize any content which might > >have been exposed. > > i didnt go, but they lost money, and they view their prospects going > forward as positive now that they finally have a handle on things. -- ********************************************************* ** James J. Momenee-DuPrie Operations Manager ** ** Phone (978) 684-3722 ADSmart Corp. ** ** Fax (978) 684-3618 100 Brickstone Square ** ** jduprie@adsmart.net Andover, MA 01810 ** ********************************************************* From owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org Fri Jun 12 07:44:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by apocalypse.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) id HAA17795 for ftp-alumni-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 07:44:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: apocalypse.org: majordom set sender to owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org using -f Received: from mail.ttlc.net (mail.ttlc.net [208.130.9.4]) by apocalypse.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA17790 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 07:44:34 -0400 Message-Id: <199806121144.HAA17790@apocalypse.org> Received: from dial-2-68.ext.ttlc.net [208.134.174.68] by mail.ttlc.net (SMTPD32-4.03) id A4796D900A8; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 07:43:53 EST To: stev@Precision.Guesswork.Com Subject: Re: Shareholders meeting summary please From: jbvb@apocalypse.org (James VanBokkelen) Reply-To: jbvb@apocalypse.org Cc: "Larry Backman" , Date: Fri, 12 Jun 98 07:43:57 EST Sender: owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org Precedence: bulk >>Could an attendee be so kinds as to summarize any content which might >>have been exposed. > >i didnt go, but they lost money, and they view their prospects going >forward as positive now that they finally have a handle on things. The stock fell to $2 late in the day on the 10th, like someone big bailed out. I haven't heard any details yet. Total of 29M shares present/voting. Both directors got re-elected, with about 28M votes. More votes for Vint than the other guy, but only maybe 500,000 (me, I think). The Executive Equity Incentive Plan passed, by 23M to 5M. The Non-Employee Director's Stock Option Plan passed, by a slightly larger margin (maybe me, too). Hazard talked about how much the company had changed (mostly shrunk) and the (very abstract) good things he expected (nothing like profitability next quarter, for instance). Simken did a dog-and-pony show about the transition from protocol stacks and applications to applications and management to applications on demand (their current Great Hope). Nothing crashed, it all looks kind of slick, but will anyone pay the price they're asking (which wasn't discussed)? I told them they needed to be careful about narrowing down the focus of what you could do with the internet, because a lot of our customers in the old days had a mainframe terminal on their desk already, and wanted the flexibility of going wherever they needed to. Also, they weren't going to meet many innovators or gatekeepers when they were selling to the control freaks. Considerable talking about innovation vs. cost control, Hazard claims to have flushed a lot of the bureaucracy. I told him he needed to get more of people's work out to market, to consider more investment in improvements to the legacy products, and to consider taking the DOS apps as a standard of functionality and refinement which the WinApps should be brought up to. Steve Glass asked not to narrow down things too much, let the programmers do their best. Arnoff (Mike Greenberg) commented on roads not taken in the past, which are currently successes for other companies. Janet suggested keeping an eye on the government. Vint and I got into a discussion of how to locate long-lead-time projects, and guerilla marketing. No non-employees said a thing. All done about 12:15, I split quickly to bale a field of hay... jbvb From owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org Fri Jun 12 09:03:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by apocalypse.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) id JAA19747 for ftp-alumni-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 09:03:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: apocalypse.org: majordom set sender to owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org using -f Received: from precision.guesswork.com (root@Precision.GUESSWORK.Com [209.218.15.100]) by apocalypse.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA19743 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 09:03:24 -0400 Received: from woburn.guesswork.com (Woburn.GUESSWORK.Com [209.218.15.126]) by precision.guesswork.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA12009; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 09:03:19 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980612090309.03615840@guesswork.com> X-Sender: stev@guesswork.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 09:03:09 -0400 To: "James J. Momenee-DuPrie" From: stev knowles Subject: Re: Shareholders meeting summary please Cc: Larry Backman , ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org In-Reply-To: <358111B4.1D2865BC@adsmart.net> References: <3.0.3.32.19980611135920.0075fc4c@guesswork.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org Precedence: bulk >no stev, thats a flashback. That was last year (and the year before..) > JD > >stev knowles wrote: >> >> >Could an attendee be so kinds as to summarize any content which might >> >have been exposed. >> >> i didnt go, but they lost money, and they view their prospects going >> forward as positive now that they finally have a handle on things. the real question is if they will be around next year to say it. From owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org Fri Jun 12 09:10:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by apocalypse.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) id JAA20226 for ftp-alumni-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 09:10:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: apocalypse.org: majordom set sender to owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org using -f Received: from precision.guesswork.com (root@Precision.GUESSWORK.Com [209.218.15.100]) by apocalypse.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA20219; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 09:10:37 -0400 Received: from woburn.guesswork.com (Woburn.GUESSWORK.Com [209.218.15.126]) by precision.guesswork.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA12255; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 09:10:36 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980612090915.0361828c@guesswork.com> X-Sender: stev@guesswork.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 09:09:15 -0400 To: jbvb@apocalypse.org From: stev knowles Subject: Re: Shareholders meeting summary please Cc: "Larry Backman" , In-Reply-To: <199806121144.HAA09801@precision.guesswork.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org Precedence: bulk >The stock fell to $2 late in the day on the 10th, like someone big >bailed out. I haven't heard any details yet. interesting. . . . . >Total of 29M shares present/voting. that is alot, i seem to remember there only being 32 million outstanding . . . >Both directors got re-elected, with about 28M votes. More votes for >Vint than the other guy, but only maybe 500,000 (me, I think). i was surprised to see vint run for re-election. >No non-employees said a thing. in the past they have, i wonder why not this time. it was brave of glass to stand up, considering he is still working there. >All done about 12:15, I split quickly to bale a field of hay... ahh, i remember when we said things like that euphemistically . . . . From owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org Fri Jun 12 15:52:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by apocalypse.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) id PAA13636 for ftp-alumni-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 15:52:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: apocalypse.org: majordom set sender to owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org using -f Received: from mail.ttlc.net (mail.ttlc.net [208.130.9.4]) by apocalypse.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA13630 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 15:52:44 -0400 Message-Id: <199806121952.PAA13630@apocalypse.org> Received: from dial-1-26.ext.ttlc.net [208.134.174.26] by mail.ttlc.net (SMTPD32-4.03) id A6E36B701B8; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 15:52:03 EST To: stev@Precision.Guesswork.Com Subject: Re: Shareholders meeting summary please From: jbvb@apocalypse.org (James VanBokkelen) Reply-To: jbvb@apocalypse.org Cc: ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org Date: Fri, 12 Jun 98 15:52:06 EST Sender: owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org Precedence: bulk >>Total of 29M shares present/voting. > >that is alot, i seem to remember there only being 32 million outstanding . >. . They said 34M issued/outstanding at the start of the meeting. >>No non-employees said a thing. > >in the past they have, i wonder why not this time. it was brave of glass to >stand up, considering he is still working there. Per him, he's one of the few people doing kernel work, and he's stuck doing it on most, if not all the kernels. He might be safe. jbvb From owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org Mon Jun 15 09:42:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by apocalypse.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) id JAA24212 for ftp-alumni-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 09:42:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: apocalypse.org: majordom set sender to owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org using -f Received: from wd40.ftp.com (ftp.com [128.127.2.123]) by apocalypse.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA24207 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 09:42:01 -0400 Received: from mailserv-2high (ms1.ftp.com [128.127.2.93]) by wd40.ftp.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA22652 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 09:41:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pmichien-1.ftp.com by mailserv-2high (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA23010; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 09:41:30 -0400 Message-ID: <000801bd9863$4682bf80$61447f80@pmichien-1.ftp.com> From: "Tony Margalis" To: Subject: merger between NetManage and FTP Software Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 09:41:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org Precedence: bulk -----Original Message----- From: FTP Corporate Newsflash To: all_associates@ftp.com Date: Monday, June 15, 1998 8:42 AM Subject: FTP NewsFlash "All Associates Meeting and Attached Press Release" --------------------------------------------------------- Today's Subject: All Associates Meeting and Attached Press Release --------------------------------------------------------- To: All Associates >From: Glenn Hazard Re: Press Release (attached) Today we are announcing the merger between NetManage and FTP Software. Over the past seven to eight months, all of you have heard me discuss the need to explore strategic alternatives that we believe could ensure our success. As I shared with you during the strategy sessions, financial stability, scale, diversity of revenue, and product capability are essential to our success. I believe the combined strengths and assets of these two companies can drive the desired results for all of you, our customers, and our shareholders. We will be conducting an all associate meeting today at 10:00 am at the Ramada Rolling Green for associates in North Andover with audio teleconference to other locations. Following the all associate meeting, there will be department meetings as well as communications with our customers, channel and OEM partners, and our suppliers. The challenge is to stay focused on our key business imperatives as we assign the necessary resources to begin planning a combined business. As always, we must support our customers, strive to achieve our revenue and profitability targets, and deliver the necessary products per our roadmap. As details are finalized and we are able to share them with all of you, we will ensure timely communications. I look forward to leading us through this transition successfully. All Associate Meeting - Audio Conference Bridge Numbers for San Jose, Arlington, EMEA locations: Domestic: 800-634-1570 International: 212-246-6468 Any problems connecting to the conference bridge, please call the Ramada and ask for Mary Murphy, at the FTP Software meeting, the number is 978-475-5400 Below is the press release that went out at 8:30 AM this morning. NetManage Contact: FTP Software, Inc. Contact: Ron Kuhl, (408) 973-7171 Jill LeBallister Dudka, (978) 684-6458 NetManage, Inc. to Acquire FTP Software, Inc. Combined Entity to Serve as Single Source Vendor for UNIX®, AS/400® and Mainframe (IBM) Connectivity CUPERTINO, Calif and NORTH ANDOVER, Mass, June 15, 1998 - NetManage, Inc. (Nasdaq: NETM), a leader in complete PC Connectivity solutions, and FTP Software, Inc. (Nasdaq: FTPS), a leader in PC-to-host client/server communications software, today announced that they have signed a definitive agreement whereby NetManage will acquire FTP Software, Inc. The combined company expects to increase its presence in the expanding PC Connectivity market as a single source supplier of world-class connectivity applications for UNIX, midrange AS/400 and Mainframe (IBM) systems. Under the terms of the agreement, stockholders of FTP Software will receive approximately .73 shares of NetManage for each FTP share. Based on NetManage's closing price of $3.125 on June 12, 1998, the agreement values FTP's approximately 34 million shares at approximately $77.4 million or approximately $2.27 per share. FTP Software's closing share price on June 12, 1998 was $2.00. The acquisition is expected to be accounted for as a pooling of interests. Subject to certain closing conditions, including SEC and antitrust review and stockholder approval of both companies, the acquisition is expected to be completed in the third quarter. Upon the closing of the acquisition, Mr. Zvi Alon will retain the position of president and CEO of NetManage. "With the acquisition of FTP, we are furthering our strategy for market leadership and consolidation. We believe FTP's position in the UNIX Connectivity and Host Connectivity markets will help broaden our product and service offerings for new and existing enterprise customers," said Zvi Alon, president and CEO of NetManage. "In addition, we intend to expand our management team and enhance our international distribution. NetManage was first to market TCP/IP for Windows, and with this acquisition, we will be the first single source supplier of advanced PC and Web-based Connectivity solutions." "We believe the combination of FTP and NetManage provides the best opportunity to take a leadership position in the emerging market for Web-to-Host products, as well as leverage both companies' historical strengths with PC Connectivity applications," said Glenn Hazard, chairman and CEO of FTP Software. "FTP's leadership in the marketplace will enhance NetManage's strengths in the UNIX connectivity, midrange systems and Mainframe systems business." About FTP Software, Inc. FTP Software, Inc. provides high-performance connectivity software with unique, centralized management capabilities that simplify host access for users of all abilities, protect sensitive corporate information, and reduce the cost of software deployment and administration. FTP Software is a market leader in network applications suites with over 10 million installations at Fortune 1000 businesses and government agencies worldwide. About NetManage, Inc. Founded in 1990, NetManage, Inc. (Nasdaq: NETM) provides complete PC Connectivity solutions, offering world-class Windows applications for connecting to UNIX, AS/400 midrange and IBM mainframe host systems. The Company also provides real time support tools for independent software vendors and corporations. NetManage helped drive the emergence of open networks through its TCP/IP applications and has made significant contributions to important industry standards including both Winsock and NS/Router. NetManage is headquartered in Cupertino, California. The company's products are sold and serviced worldwide by NetManage's direct sales force, international subsidiaries and authorized channel partners. Additional information is available at http://www.netmanage.com, by sending e-mail to info@netmanage.com or by calling (408) 973-7171. This press release contains forward-looking statements. These forward-looking statements include statements about expectations relating to the acquisition of FTP Software by NetManage and the resulting benefits in breadth of product line and the ability to meet ongoing customer requirements, including: increased size and worldwide coverage of sales, service and support organizations resulting in incremental business; and the ability to create new business opportunities resulting in expanded revenues. Actual results may differ materially due to factors including, but not limited to: NetManage's ability to develop and ship products leveraging the developments of the individual entities; NetManage's ability to retain and restructure qualified sales, service and support personnel through the acquisition; NetManage's ability to recognize and capitalize on new business activities; the impact of the competitive products and pricing; the fluctuating demand for PC connectivity solutions; demand from customers, which could be impacted by the recent uncertainties in the Asian markets; and the risk that anticipated synergies and cost savings from the acquisition may not result. Other risks and uncertainties are contained in NetManage's reports filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission. ### Copyright 1998 NetManage, Inc. All rights reserved. NetManage, Chameleon UNIX Link, Chameleon HostLink, Chameleon 3270LT, Chameleon Host Agent, NS/Portfolio, NS/Router, SupportNow, Support-Channel, OpSession, the NetManage logo and the lizard logos are trademarks or registered trademarks of NetManage, Inc. in the United States and other countries. UNIX is a registered trademark in the U.S. and other countries, licensed exclusively through X/Open Company Limited. IBM and AS/400 are registered trademarks in the U.S. and other countries of International Business Machines Corporation. FTP Software is a registered trademark of FTP Software, Inc. All other trademarks are the property of their respective owners. Jill LeBallister Dudka Manager, Investor and Public Relations FTP Software, Inc. 2 High Street North Andover, MA 01845 978-684-6458 fax 978-684-6679 Internet: jld@ftp.com From owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org Mon Jun 15 09:45:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by apocalypse.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) id JAA24413 for ftp-alumni-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 09:45:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: apocalypse.org: majordom set sender to owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org using -f Received: from pmichien-1.ftp.com (pmichien-1.ftp.com [128.127.68.97]) by apocalypse.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA24409 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 09:45:55 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 Jun 98 09:45:11 EST Message-Id: <9806150945.AA01876@pmichien-1.ftp.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Tony Margalis" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org Subject: merger between NetManage and FTP Software X-Mailer: Sender: owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org Precedence: bulk ------------------------------------------------------- Today's Subject: All Associates Meeting and Attached Press Release --------------------------------------------------------- To: All Associates >From: Glenn Hazard Re: Press Release (attached) Today we are announcing the merger between NetManage and FTP Software. Over the past seven to eight months, all of you have heard me discuss the need to explore strategic alternatives that we believe could ensure our success. As I shared with you during the strategy sessions, financial stability, scale, diversity of revenue, and product capability are essential to our success. I believe the combined strengths and assets of these two companies can drive the desired results for all of you, our customers, and our shareholders. We will be conducting an all associate meeting today at 10:00 am at the Ramada Rolling Green for associates in North Andover with audio teleconference to other locations. Following the all associate meeting, there will be department meetings as well as communications with our customers, channel and OEM partners, and our suppliers. The challenge is to stay focused on our key business imperatives as we assign the necessary resources to begin planning a combined business. As always, we must support our customers, strive to achieve our revenue and profitability targets, and deliver the necessary products per our roadmap. As details are finalized and we are able to share them with all of you, we will ensure timely communications. I look forward to leading us through this transition successfully. All Associate Meeting - Audio Conference Bridge Numbers for San Jose, Arlington, EMEA locations: Domestic: 800-634-1570 International: 212-246-6468 Any problems connecting to the conference bridge, please call the Ramada and ask for Mary Murphy, at the FTP Software meeting, the number is 978-475-5400 Below is the press release that went out at 8:30 AM this morning. NetManage Contact: FTP Software, Inc. Contact: Ron Kuhl, (408) 973-7171 Jill LeBallister Dudka, (978) 684-6458 NetManage, Inc. to Acquire FTP Software, Inc. Combined Entity to Serve as Single Source Vendor for UNIX®, AS/400® and Mainframe (IBM) Connectivity CUPERTINO, Calif and NORTH ANDOVER, Mass, June 15, 1998 - NetManage, Inc. (Nasdaq: NETM), a leader in complete PC Connectivity solutions, and FTP Software, Inc. (Nasdaq: FTPS), a leader in PC-to-host client/server communications software, today announced that they have signed a definitive agreement whereby NetManage will acquire FTP Software, Inc. The combined company expects to increase its presence in the expanding PC Connectivity market as a single source supplier of world-class connectivity applications for UNIX, midrange AS/400 and Mainframe (IBM) systems. Under the terms of the agreement, stockholders of FTP Software will receive approximately .73 shares of NetManage for each FTP share. Based on NetManage's closing price of $3.125 on June 12, 1998, the agreement values FTP's approximately 34 million shares at approximately $77.4 million or approximately $2.27 per share. FTP Software's closing share price on June 12, 1998 was $2.00. The acquisition is expected to be accounted for as a pooling of interests. Subject to certain closing conditions, including SEC and antitrust review and stockholder approval of both companies, the acquisition is expected to be completed in the third quarter. Upon the closing of the acquisition, Mr. Zvi Alon will retain the position of president and CEO of NetManage. "With the acquisition of FTP, we are furthering our strategy for market leadership and consolidation. We believe FTP's position in the UNIX Connectivity and Host Connectivity markets will help broaden our product and service offerings for new and existing enterprise customers," said Zvi Alon, president and CEO of NetManage. "In addition, we intend to expand our management team and enhance our international distribution. NetManage was first to market TCP/IP for Windows, and with this acquisition, we will be the first single source supplier of advanced PC and Web-based Connectivity solutions." "We believe the combination of FTP and NetManage provides the best opportunity to take a leadership position in the emerging market for Web-to-Host products, as well as leverage both companies' historical strengths with PC Connectivity applications," said Glenn Hazard, chairman and CEO of FTP Software. "FTP's leadership in the marketplace will enhance NetManage's strengths in the UNIX connectivity, midrange systems and Mainframe systems business." About FTP Software, Inc. FTP Software, Inc. provides high-performance connectivity software with unique, centralized management capabilities that simplify host access for users of all abilities, protect sensitive corporate information, and reduce the cost of software deployment and administration. FTP Software is a market leader in network applications suites with over 10 million installations at Fortune 1000 businesses and government agencies worldwide. About NetManage, Inc. Founded in 1990, NetManage, Inc. (Nasdaq: NETM) provides complete PC Connectivity solutions, offering world-class Windows applications for connecting to UNIX, AS/400 midrange and IBM mainframe host systems. The Company also provides real time support tools for independent software vendors and corporations. NetManage helped drive the emergence of open networks through its TCP/IP applications and has made significant contributions to important industry standards including both Winsock and NS/Router. NetManage is headquartered in Cupertino, California. The company's products are sold and serviced worldwide by NetManage's direct sales force, international subsidiaries and authorized channel partners. Additional information is available at http://www.netmanage.com, by sending e-mail to info@netmanage.com or by calling (408) 973-7171. This press release contains forward-looking statements. These forward-looking statements include statements about expectations relating to the acquisition of FTP Software by NetManage and the resulting benefits in breadth of product line and the ability to meet ongoing customer requirements, including: increased size and worldwide coverage of sales, service and support organizations resulting in incremental business; and the ability to create new business opportunities resulting in expanded revenues. Actual results may differ materially due to factors including, but not limited to: NetManage's ability to develop and ship products leveraging the developments of the individual entities; NetManage's ability to retain and restructure qualified sales, service and support personnel through the acquisition; NetManage's ability to recognize and capitalize on new business activities; the impact of the competitive products and pricing; the fluctuating demand for PC connectivity solutions; demand from customers, which could be impacted by the recent uncertainties in the Asian markets; and the risk that anticipated synergies and cost savings from the acquisition may not result. Other risks and uncertainties are contained in NetManage's reports filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission. ### Copyright 1998 NetManage, Inc. All rights reserved. NetManage, Chameleon UNIX Link, Chameleon HostLink, Chameleon 3270LT, Chameleon Host Agent, NS/Portfolio, NS/Router, SupportNow, Support-Channel, OpSession, the NetManage logo and the lizard logos are trademarks or registered trademarks of NetManage, Inc. in the United States and other countries. UNIX is a registered trademark in the U.S. and other countries, licensed exclusively through X/Open Company Limited. IBM and AS/400 are registered trademarks in the U.S. and other countries of International Business Machines Corporation. FTP Software is a registered trademark of FTP Software, Inc. All other trademarks are the property of their respective owners. Jill LeBallister Dudka Manager, Investor and Public Relations FTP Software, Inc. 2 High Street North Andover, MA 01845 978-684-6458 fax 978-684-6679 Internet: jld@ftp.com From owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org Mon Jun 15 10:27:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by apocalypse.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) id KAA26598 for ftp-alumni-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 10:27:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: apocalypse.org: majordom set sender to owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org using -f Received: (from paul@localhost) by apocalypse.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) id KAA26593; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 10:27:22 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 10:27:22 -0400 Message-Id: <199806151427.KAA26593@apocalypse.org> From: Paul Selkirk To: ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org In-reply-to: <000801bd9863$4682bf80$61447f80@pmichien-1.ftp.com> (tonym@ftp.com) Subject: Re: merger between NetManage and FTP Software References: <000801bd9863$4682bf80$61447f80@pmichien-1.ftp.com> Sender: owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org Precedence: bulk So why is the first image that comes to mind that of rats jumping from one sinking ship to another? Excuse me while I shit a brick. paul (Yes, this is real, or at least has gotten out to the wire services.) From owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org Mon Jun 15 10:34:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by apocalypse.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) id KAA27091 for ftp-alumni-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 10:34:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: apocalypse.org: majordom set sender to owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org using -f Received: from precision.guesswork.com (root@Precision.GUESSWORK.Com [209.218.15.100]) by apocalypse.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA27079; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 10:34:52 -0400 Received: from woburn.guesswork.com (Woburn.GUESSWORK.Com [209.218.15.126]) by precision.guesswork.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA04881; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 10:34:52 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980615103550.00767840@guesswork.com> X-Sender: stev@guesswork.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 10:35:50 -0400 To: Paul Selkirk , ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org From: stev knowles Subject: Re: merger between NetManage and FTP Software In-Reply-To: <199806151427.KAA26593@apocalypse.org> References: <000801bd9863$4682bf80$61447f80@pmichien-1.ftp.com> <000801bd9863$4682bf80$61447f80@pmichien-1.ftp.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org Precedence: bulk >So why is the first image that comes to mind that of rats jumping from >one sinking ship to another? > >Excuse me while I shit a brick. > > paul > >(Yes, this is real, or at least has gotten out to the wire services.) well, ftp always did need good marketing, and netmanage was always good with marketing. i am amazed, however, that they only get 2.27$ per share, it had traded up to 3$ on speculation of a merger announcement. From owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org Mon Jun 15 10:53:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by apocalypse.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) id KAA28410 for ftp-alumni-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 10:53:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: apocalypse.org: majordom set sender to owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org using -f Received: from mail.ttlc.net (mail.ttlc.net [208.130.9.4]) by apocalypse.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA28400; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 10:53:13 -0400 Message-Id: <199806151453.KAA28400@apocalypse.org> Received: from dial-2-68.ext.ttlc.net [208.134.174.68] by mail.ttlc.net (SMTPD32-4.03) id A52F3B220140; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 10:52:31 EST To: paul@apocalypse.org Subject: Re: merger between NetManage and FTP Software From: jbvb@apocalypse.org (James VanBokkelen) Reply-To: jbvb@apocalypse.org Cc: ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org Date: Mon, 15 Jun 98 10:52:36 EST Sender: owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org Precedence: bulk >So why is the first image that comes to mind that of rats jumping from >one sinking ship to another? Two drowning men trying to climb on top of each other is possibly more appropriate... Oy, veh. That it should come to this. I suppose there is a positive, for me, at least: If/when this takes place, I can finally lay down responsibility for the goings-on at 2 High. I don't really know where they expect to get shareholder approval, given that the price was $3 until news leaked Wednesday. There is probably going to be a suit over that, as well... I will vote about 400,000 shares against it, at $2.27.... jbvb From owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org Mon Jun 15 11:08:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by apocalypse.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) id LAA29137 for ftp-alumni-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 11:08:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: apocalypse.org: majordom set sender to owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org using -f Received: from ordertrust.net (wizard.litle.com [205.139.20.20]) by apocalypse.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA29133 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 11:08:55 -0400 Received: from mshatzhv500 ([192.168.30.221]) by ordertrust.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA22157 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 11:07:39 -0400 (EDT) From: "Michael Shatz" To: Subject: Photo Finish: Svi Won Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 11:08:01 -0400 Message-ID: <006601bd986f$637efb60$dd1ea8c0@mshatzhv500.litle.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org Precedence: bulk Gee Wizzzzzzz After all that awesome hypercompetitive behavior. What a waste. /\\. Michael E. Shatz Director, Business Development OrderTrust, LLC (Formerly LitleNet) 900 Chelmsford Street Lowell, MA 01851 m_shatz@ordertrust.net 978-551-5453 (T) 978-551-5050 (F) From owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org Mon Jun 15 11:25:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by apocalypse.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) id LAA30263 for ftp-alumni-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 11:25:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: apocalypse.org: majordom set sender to owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org using -f Received: from mailrelay1.tfn.com (mailrelay1.tfn.com [198.80.144.7]) by apocalypse.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA30258; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 11:25:30 -0400 From: okeefe@tfn.com Received: from 198.80.144.9 by mailrelay1.tfn.com with SMTP (WorldSecure Server SMTP Relay v2.0.2); Mon, 15 Jun 98 11:20:25 -0400 X-Server-Uuid: b0832e76-507b-11d1-9cee-00e0290993bc Received: from messaging.tfn.com (messaging.tfn.com [164.179.13.7]) by r2.tfn.com (8.8.7/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA24696; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 11:23: 22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ccMail by messaging.tfn.com (IMA Internet Exchange 2.1 Enterprise) id 0026E79E; Mon, 15 Jun 98 11:28:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 11:19:44 -0400 Message-ID: <0026E79E.003038@tfn.com> To: , "Paul Selkirk" Subject: Re[2]: merger between NetManage and FTP Software X-WSS-ID: 199BE433379585-199BE433379586-01 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=IMA.Boundary.805429798 Sender: owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org Precedence: bulk --IMA.Boundary.805429798 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part This little bit of news was not mentioned at the stockholders meeting, yes? Jamie ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: merger between NetManage and FTP Software Author: "Paul Selkirk" at internet Date: 6/15/98 10:27 AM So why is the first image that comes to mind that of rats jumping from one sinking ship to another? Excuse me while I shit a brick. paul (Yes, this is real, or at least has gotten out to the wire services.) --IMA.Boundary.805429798 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; name="RFC822 message headers" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Content-Disposition: inline; filename="RFC822 message headers" Received: from r2.tfn.com (164.179.13.3) by messaging.tfn.com with SMTP (IMA Internet Exchange 2.1 Enterprise) id 0026E67D; Mon, 15 Jun 98 11:13:48 -0400 Received: from mailrelay2.tfn.com (mailrelay2.tfn.com [198.80.144.8]) by r2.tfn.com (8.8.7/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA20909 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 10:37:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 192.48.232.17 by mailrelay2.tfn.com with SMTP ( WorldSecure Server SMTP Relay v2.0.2); Mon, 15 Jun 98 10:36:18 -0400 X-Server-Uuid: b0832e76-507b-11d1-9cee-00e0290993bc Received: (from majordom@localhost) by apocalypse.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) id KAA26598 for ftp-alumni-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 10:27:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: apocalypse.org: majordom set sender to owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org using -f Received: (from paul@localhost) by apocalypse.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) id KAA26593; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 10:27:22 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 10:27:22 -0400 Message-ID: <199806151427.KAA26593@apocalypse.org> From: "Paul Selkirk" To: In-Reply-To: <000801bd9863$4682bf80$61447f80@pmichien-1.ftp.com> ( tonym@ftp.com) Subject: Re: merger between NetManage and FTP Software References: <000801bd9863$4682bf80$61447f80@pmichien-1.ftp.com> Sender: Precedence: bulk MIME-Version: 1.0 X-WSS-ID: 199BEEE8471967-199BEEE8471969-01 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --IMA.Boundary.805429798-- From owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org Mon Jun 15 11:52:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by apocalypse.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) id LAA32175 for ftp-alumni-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 11:52:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: apocalypse.org: majordom set sender to owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org using -f Received: from precision.guesswork.com (root@Precision.GUESSWORK.Com [209.218.15.100]) by apocalypse.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA32166 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 11:52:44 -0400 Received: from woburn.guesswork.com (Woburn.GUESSWORK.Com [209.218.15.126]) by precision.guesswork.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA07489 for precision.guesswork.com; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 11:52:43 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980615115153.006f4c9c@guesswork.com> X-Sender: stev@guesswork.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 11:51:53 -0400 To: ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org From: stev knowles Subject: any rumors of layoffs yet? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org Precedence: bulk i mean, i cant imagine what netmanage would want with FTP's marketing, or sales, or general admin. then, there are various sales offices . . . .i wonder how many people will be invited to leave . . . From owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org Mon Jun 15 12:07:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by apocalypse.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) id MAA00309 for ftp-alumni-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 12:07:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: apocalypse.org: majordom set sender to owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org using -f Received: from mail.ttlc.net (mail.ttlc.net [208.130.9.4]) by apocalypse.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA00304 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 12:07:51 -0400 Message-Id: <199806151607.MAA00304@apocalypse.org> Received: from dial-3-95.ext.ttlc.net [208.134.174.95] by mail.ttlc.net (SMTPD32-4.03) id A6A741710140; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 12:07:03 EST To: okeefe@tfn.com Subject: Re: Re[2]: merger between NetManage and FTP Software From: jbvb@apocalypse.org (James VanBokkelen) Reply-To: jbvb@apocalypse.org Cc: Date: Mon, 15 Jun 98 12:07:14 EST Sender: owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org Precedence: bulk > This little bit of news was not mentioned at the stockholders meeting, > yes? Not a peep. jbvb From owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org Mon Jun 15 12:07:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by apocalypse.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) id MAA00305 for ftp-alumni-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 12:07:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: apocalypse.org: majordom set sender to owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org using -f Received: from mail.ttlc.net (mail.ttlc.net [208.130.9.4]) by apocalypse.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA00298 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 12:07:50 -0400 Message-Id: <199806151607.MAA00298@apocalypse.org> Received: from dial-3-95.ext.ttlc.net [208.134.174.95] by mail.ttlc.net (SMTPD32-4.03) id A6AD113601C8; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 12:07:09 EST To: stev@Precision.Guesswork.Com Subject: Re: merger between NetManage and FTP Software From: jbvb@apocalypse.org (James VanBokkelen) Reply-To: jbvb@apocalypse.org Cc: ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org Date: Mon, 15 Jun 98 12:07:13 EST Sender: owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org Precedence: bulk >well, ftp always did need good marketing, and netmanage was always good >with marketing. Not good enough that they were able to deal with Windows95 any better than FTP, from their stock price. >i am amazed, however, that they only get 2.27$ per share, it had traded up >to 3$ on speculation of a merger announcement. I talked to some brokers - they had called me last Wednesday to ask if I knew why the stock had suddenly fallen from $2.75 or so to $2. They didn't know anything more today, except that FTPS is now down to $1.80 or so, and Netscape fell somewhat this morning too. This is exactly the same kind of bad idea as the Firefox merger, except that I personally consider Zvi Allon unethical, and have no wish to see his face, or profit from his activities. I bet, when we see the merger documents, that it isn't fixed at $2.27. At best, we can hope for some sort of high/low collar on the price, but this morning's fall may have reduced it to more like $1.95... jbvb From owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org Mon Jun 15 12:14:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by apocalypse.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) id MAA00702 for ftp-alumni-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 12:14:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: apocalypse.org: majordom set sender to owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org using -f Received: from precision.guesswork.com (root@Precision.GUESSWORK.Com [209.218.15.100]) by apocalypse.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA00696; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 12:14:02 -0400 Received: from woburn.guesswork.com (Woburn.GUESSWORK.Com [209.218.15.126]) by precision.guesswork.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA08202; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 12:14:01 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980615121517.006f8f38@guesswork.com> X-Sender: stev@guesswork.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 12:15:17 -0400 To: jbvb@apocalypse.org From: stev knowles Subject: Re: merger between NetManage and FTP Software Cc: ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org In-Reply-To: <199806151607.MAA07894@precision.guesswork.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org Precedence: bulk >Not good enough that they were able to deal with Windows95 any better >than FTP, from their stock price. potentially true, but their stock split several times, as i recall, so they may not really be as bad off as you think. what is their market cap, do you know? >I talked to some brokers - they had called me last Wednesday to ask >if I knew why the stock had suddenly fallen from $2.75 or so to $2. >They didn't know anything more today, except that FTPS is now down to >$1.80 or so, and Netscape fell somewhat this morning too. This is >exactly the same kind of bad idea as the Firefox merger, except that >I personally consider Zvi Allon unethical, and have no wish to see >his face, or profit from his activities. well, they need to do something, and they dont seem to be able to profit from their own ideas . . . >I bet, when we see the merger documents, that it isn't fixed at >$2.27. At best, we can hope for some sort of high/low collar on the >price, but this morning's fall may have reduced it to more like >$1.95... the announcement pegged it as a stock swap, valued at 2.27 based on netmanages closing price Friday afternoon. From owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org Mon Jun 15 12:22:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by apocalypse.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) id MAA01162 for ftp-alumni-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 12:22:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: apocalypse.org: majordom set sender to owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org using -f Received: from 401kforum.com (server04.401kforum.com [209.1.203.205]) by apocalypse.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA01153 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 12:22:20 -0400 Received: (from mail@localhost) by 401kforum.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) id JAA06952 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 09:18:58 -0700 Received: from sixnet-34.401kforum.com(192.168.6.34) by pago-pago via smap (V2.0) id xma006948; Mon, 15 Jun 98 09:18:56 -0700 From: "Mark Towfiq" To: Subject: RE: merger between NetManage and FTP Software Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 09:22:44 -0700 Message-ID: <006a01bd9879$d3d10e80$2206a8c0@towfiq.401kforum.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <9806150945.AA01876@pmichien-1.ftp.com> X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org Precedence: bulk It seems, crafty language aside, that this is not a "merger", it is NetManage buying FTP, with Zvi Alon at the head of the whole thing, if I read the press release correctly. From owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org Mon Jun 15 12:35:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by apocalypse.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) id MAA02057 for ftp-alumni-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 12:35:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: apocalypse.org: majordom set sender to owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org using -f Received: from flipper.cisco.com (flipper.cisco.com [171.69.63.10]) by apocalypse.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA02052 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 12:35:57 -0400 Received: from flipper.cisco.com (flipper.cisco.com [171.69.63.10]) by flipper.cisco.com (8.8.5-Cisco.2-SunOS.5.5.1.sun4/8.6.5) with SMTP id JAA00646 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 09:35:35 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 09:35:35 -0700 (PDT) From: John Bray To: ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org Subject: RE: merger between NetManage and FTP Software In-Reply-To: <006a01bd9879$d3d10e80$2206a8c0@towfiq.401kforum.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org Precedence: bulk We have met the enemy and they is us! :-) From owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org Mon Jun 15 12:41:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by apocalypse.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) id MAA02363 for ftp-alumni-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 12:41:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: apocalypse.org: majordom set sender to owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org using -f Received: from pahi.froghouse.org (root@pahi.froghouse.org [206.58.86.38]) by apocalypse.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA02354 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 12:41:49 -0400 Received: from pahi.froghouse.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pahi.froghouse.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA14595; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 10:42:13 -0600 Message-Id: <199806151642.KAA14595@pahi.froghouse.org> From: David Bridgham To: stev knowles cc: ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org Subject: Re: merger between NetManage and FTP Software In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 15 Jun 1998 12:15:17 EDT." <3.0.3.32.19980615121517.006f8f38@guesswork.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 10:42:12 -0600 Sender: owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org Precedence: bulk > potentially true, but their stock split several times, as i recall, > so they may not really be as bad off as you think. what is their > market cap, do you know? At $3/share, Yahoo reports it as $132M. Dave From owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org Mon Jun 15 12:52:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by apocalypse.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) id MAA02873 for ftp-alumni-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 12:52:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: apocalypse.org: majordom set sender to owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org using -f Received: from mailrelay1.tfn.com (mailrelay1.tfn.com [198.80.144.7]) by apocalypse.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA02868; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 12:52:49 -0400 From: okeefe@tfn.com Received: from 198.80.144.9 by mailrelay1.tfn.com with SMTP (WorldSecure Server SMTP Relay v2.0.2); Mon, 15 Jun 98 12:48:22 -0400 X-Server-Uuid: b0832e76-507b-11d1-9cee-00e0290993bc Received: from messaging.tfn.com (messaging.tfn.com [164.179.13.7]) by r2.tfn.com (8.8.7/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA02035; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 12:51: 19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ccMail by messaging.tfn.com (IMA Internet Exchange 2.1 Enterprise) id 0026F00F; Mon, 15 Jun 98 12:56:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 12:48:07 -0400 Message-ID: <0026F00F.003038@tfn.com> To: , "stev knowles" cc: Subject: Re[2]: merger between NetManage and FTP Software X-WSS-ID: 199B8FDC399419-199B8FDC399420-01 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=IMA.Boundary.718929798 Sender: owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org Precedence: bulk --IMA.Boundary.718929798 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Market Capitalization as of 6/12/98 as reported by First Call: FTPS 68.0 Mil $ NETM 137.7 Mil $ Jamie much less :-) ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: merger between NetManage and FTP Software Author: "stev knowles" at internet Date: 6/15/98 12:15 PM >Not good enough that they were able to deal with Windows95 any better >than FTP, from their stock price. potentially true, but their stock split several times, as i recall, so they may not really be as bad off as you think. what is their market cap, do you know? >I talked to some brokers - they had called me last Wednesday to ask >if I knew why the stock had suddenly fallen from $2.75 or so to $2. >They didn't know anything more today, except that FTPS is now down to >$1.80 or so, and Netscape fell somewhat this morning too. This is >exactly the same kind of bad idea as the Firefox merger, except that >I personally consider Zvi Allon unethical, and have no wish to see >his face, or profit from his activities. well, they need to do something, and they dont seem to be able to profit from their own ideas . . . >I bet, when we see the merger documents, that it isn't fixed at >$2.27. At best, we can hope for some sort of high/low collar on the >price, but this morning's fall may have reduced it to more like >$1.95... the announcement pegged it as a stock swap, valued at 2.27 based on netmanages closing price Friday afternoon. --IMA.Boundary.718929798 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; name="RFC822 message headers" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Content-Disposition: inline; filename="RFC822 message headers" Received: from r2.tfn.com (164.179.13.3) by messaging.tfn.com with SMTP (IMA Internet Exchange 2.1 Enterprise) id 0026ECEF; Mon, 15 Jun 98 12:27:15 -0400 Received: from mailrelay2.tfn.com (mailrelay2.tfn.com [198.80.144.8]) by r2.tfn.com (8.8.7/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA29336 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 12:21:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 192.48.232.17 by mailrelay2.tfn.com with SMTP ( WorldSecure Server SMTP Relay v2.0.2); Mon, 15 Jun 98 12:15:31 -0400 X-Server-Uuid: b0832e76-507b-11d1-9cee-00e0290993bc Received: (from majordom@localhost) by apocalypse.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) id MAA00702 for ftp-alumni-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 12:14:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: apocalypse.org: majordom set sender to owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org using -f Received: from precision.guesswork.com (root@Precision.GUESSWORK.Com [209.218.15.100]) by apocalypse.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA00696; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 12:14:02 -0400 Received: from woburn.guesswork.com (Woburn.GUESSWORK.Com [209.218.15.126]) by precision.guesswork.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA08202; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 12:14:01 -0400 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980615121517.006f8f38@guesswork.com> X-Sender: stev@guesswork.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 12:15:17 -0400 To: From: "stev knowles" Subject: Re: merger between NetManage and FTP Software cc: In-Reply-To: <199806151607.MAA07894@precision.guesswork.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: Precedence: bulk X-WSS-ID: 199B9729482357-199B9729482359-01 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --IMA.Boundary.718929798-- From owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org Mon Jun 15 12:58:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by apocalypse.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) id MAA03120 for ftp-alumni-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 12:58:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: apocalypse.org: majordom set sender to owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org using -f Received: from mail.ttlc.net (mail.ttlc.net [208.130.9.4]) by apocalypse.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA03116 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 12:58:29 -0400 Message-Id: <199806151658.MAA03116@apocalypse.org> Received: from dial-3-95.ext.ttlc.net [208.134.174.95] by mail.ttlc.net (SMTPD32-4.03) id A28C1EB90142; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 12:57:48 EST To: stev@Precision.Guesswork.Com Subject: Re: merger between NetManage and FTP Software From: jbvb@apocalypse.org (James VanBokkelen) Reply-To: jbvb@apocalypse.org Cc: ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org Date: Mon, 15 Jun 98 12:57:51 EST Sender: owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org Precedence: bulk >>Not good enough that they were able to deal with Windows95 any better >>than FTP, from their stock price. > >potentially true, but their stock split several times, as i recall, so they >may not really be as bad off as you think. what is their market cap, do you >know? I'll ask, if I talk to a broker again today, but this might also be on their web site. >>I talked to some brokers - they had called me last Wednesday to ask >>if I knew why the stock had suddenly fallen from $2.75 or so to $2. >>They didn't know anything more today, except that FTPS is now down to >>$1.80 or so, and Netscape fell somewhat this morning too. This is >>exactly the same kind of bad idea as the Firefox merger, except that >>I personally consider Zvi Allon unethical, and have no wish to see >>his face, or profit from his activities. > >well, they need to do something, and they dont seem to be able to profit >from their own ideas . . . > >>I bet, when we see the merger documents, that it isn't fixed at >>$2.27. At best, we can hope for some sort of high/low collar on the >>price, but this morning's fall may have reduced it to more like >>$1.95... > >the announcement pegged it as a stock swap, valued at 2.27 based on >netmanages closing price Friday afternoon. The key weasel-phrase is "approximately .73 shares of Netmanage". The rest of the information on pricing doesn't say anything explicit, but I expect that there will be some sort of variable ratio, like with Firefox, where the final price depends on the market at the time the merger. Wall St. agrees with me - If I could go buy a bale of FTP today at $1.80 and walk away with my $0.47 per share when the deal goes through, so could anyone else, and the difference would vanish in a twinkling... Earlier, you asked about layoffs. Whether or not there will be layoffs after the merger, they aren't likely to say a word until the deal is approved by the shareholders. jbvb From owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org Mon Jun 15 13:02:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by apocalypse.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) id NAA03469 for ftp-alumni-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 13:02:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: apocalypse.org: majordom set sender to owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org using -f Received: from precision.guesswork.com (root@Precision.GUESSWORK.Com [209.218.15.100]) by apocalypse.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA03464 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 13:02:52 -0400 Received: from woburn.guesswork.com (Woburn.GUESSWORK.Com [209.218.15.126]) by precision.guesswork.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA09710; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 13:02:48 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980615130124.00741440@guesswork.com> X-Sender: stev@guesswork.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 13:01:24 -0400 To: David Bridgham From: stev knowles Subject: Re: merger between NetManage and FTP Software Cc: ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org In-Reply-To: <199806151642.KAA14595@pahi.froghouse.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org Precedence: bulk >> potentially true, but their stock split several times, as i recall, >> so they may not really be as bad off as you think. what is their >> market cap, do you know? > >At $3/share, Yahoo reports it as $132M. and at 2$/share, that puts FTP at 1/2 its value. . .. so they did seem to do a better job, from that metric. From owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org Mon Jun 15 13:04:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by apocalypse.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) id NAA03546 for ftp-alumni-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 13:04:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: apocalypse.org: majordom set sender to owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org using -f Received: from precision.guesswork.com (root@Precision.GUESSWORK.Com [209.218.15.100]) by apocalypse.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA03539; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 13:04:35 -0400 Received: from woburn.guesswork.com (Woburn.GUESSWORK.Com [209.218.15.126]) by precision.guesswork.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA09728; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 13:04:35 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980615130554.006dac84@guesswork.com> X-Sender: stev@guesswork.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 13:05:54 -0400 To: jbvb@apocalypse.org From: stev knowles Subject: Re: merger between NetManage and FTP Software Cc: ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org In-Reply-To: <199806151658.MAA09416@precision.guesswork.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org Precedence: bulk >Earlier, you asked about layoffs. Whether or not there will be >layoffs after the merger, they aren't likely to say a word until the >deal is approved by the shareholders. other people certainly do, as i recall. wasn't there talk from compaq about layoffs with the digital buy? From owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org Mon Jun 15 13:06:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by apocalypse.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) id NAA03658 for ftp-alumni-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 13:06:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: apocalypse.org: majordom set sender to owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org using -f Received: from blaze-net.com (barry.blaze-net.com [199.103.238.10]) by apocalypse.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA03653; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 13:06:19 -0400 Received: from blaze-net.com by blaze-net.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA27954; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 13:13:38 -0400 Message-ID: <35855484.31A54972@blaze-net.com> Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 13:06:12 -0400 From: Frank Solensky Organization: BlazeNet Inc X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 i86pc) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: stev knowles CC: jbvb@apocalypse.org, ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org Subject: Re: merger between NetManage and FTP Software References: <3.0.3.32.19980615121517.006f8f38@guesswork.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org Precedence: bulk stev knowles wrote: > > potentially true, but their stock split several times, as i recall, so they > may not really be as bad off as you think. what is their market cap, do you > know? Nasdaq web site lists it as $136M+ with just over 44M shares outstanding > >I talked to some brokers - they had called me last Wednesday to ask > >if I knew why the stock had suddenly fallen from $2.75 or so to $2. I had just assumed that it was part of the entire tech sector being soft over the last few weeks: over the last two, FTPS is off 5/8 of a point. The volume doesn't appear all that unusual as compared to the previous three months, either: since 6/1, it's averaged 334,000 shares vs. 305,100 shares between 3/1 and 5/29. From owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org Mon Jun 15 14:02:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by apocalypse.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) id OAA07732 for ftp-alumni-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 14:02:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: apocalypse.org: majordom set sender to owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org using -f Received: from pmichien-1.ftp.com ([128.127.68.223]) by apocalypse.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA07728 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 14:02:44 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 Jun 98 14:01:56 EST Message-Id: <9806151401.AA02784@pmichien-1.ftp.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Anonymous" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org Subject: FTP: Q&A from today's all associates meeting X-Mailer: Sender: owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org Precedence: bulk Associate Questions and Responses June 15, 1998 Approximate Time Line 6/15 Signing 6/16 - 6/24 Draft proxy statement/S4 6/29 File proxy statement/S4 with SEC 30-40 days SEC review 8/03 Receive SEC comments 8/06 Re-file 8/07 Receive SEC effectiveness; mail proxy statements/S4 to FTP Software and NetManage shareholders 9/09 Shareholder meetings (FTP Software and NetManage) 9/10 Close Q/. Which company will be the surviving company? A/. NetManage is acquiring FTP Software through a merger of FTP Software with a NetManage subsidiary. After the close of the transaction, NetManage will be the parent. Q/. Who will be the CEO? A/. Zvi Alon, the current CEO/Chairman of NetManage, will remain as CEO of the "new" NetManage. Q/. What will be the structure of the new organization? A/. We will be forming integration teams comprised of members from both companies to determine the structure of the combined group. Q/. Will there be layoffs? A/. Following a review process by the integration teams, the organizational structure will be announced. Redundancies created by the new organization will need to be eliminated. Q/. Assuming layoffs, will there be outplacement assistance? A/. To be determined. Q/. When will you know your status? A/. You should know your status on or before the close of this transaction, which we anticipate to be approximately 90 days. Q/. What are the severance packages? A/. We committed to all of you specific severance protection last July. That commitment was re-affirmed several weeks ago by Glenn. As indicated in his email, these arrangements will be honored through the end of December 1998. Q/. What will happen to the severance packages after December? A/. As stated earlier, NetManage will honor all severance packages through December 31, 1998. After that, NetManage's practice is to review severance arrangements on a case-by-case basis. Q/. What will happen to North Andover and other facilities around the world? A/. Corporate headquarters will be Cupertino, California. We expect North Andover to be the company's major East Coast facility. All other locations will be reviewed as part of the process during the next 90 days. There is strong overlap in nearby facilities across the world, so the associate disruption from consolidated facilities will hopefully be modest. Also, it is important to note that NetManage already manages development, support, as well as sales, marketing, and G&A in distributed locations. Development, for example, is concentrated in Irvine, CA (5250 / 3270 SNA), San Diego (X and NFS), and Haifa (Unix Link and Host Link) Q/. What happens to our options now and in the future? A/. NetManage will assume the FTP Software options. Your current vesting schedule would remain in effect. Your options become NetManage options. To calculate the conversion of FTP Software options to NetManage options, you multiply the number of options you have by the stock exchange ratio of this transaction (.728 est.) and divide your exercise price by the same number. For example, if you have 1000 FTP Software options priced at $3.00 a share, those options would be converted into approximately 728 NetManage options (1000 x .728) with an exercise price (into NetManage stock) of about $4.12 ($3.00/ .728 est.) Q./ Will I be taxed on my shares or options as a result of exchange? A./ No, you will not be taxed as a result of the exchange. Q/. Will we retain the same benefits package? A/. The intent is to have one company plan that provides fair and equitable benefits to all employees. This plan will be solidified during 4Q98 following a review of our plans to ensure employees understand the benefits plan specifics. Until that time, FTP Software's plans remain in effect. Q/. What will happen to the FTP Software Medical, Dental, and Vision coverage? A/. You will remain on your current plan through the end of the year. Effective January 1, 1999, we expect you would be moved to the NetManage plan(s). Q/. What will happen to the FTP Software name? A/. NetManage plans to build on FTP Software's considerable brand equity. FTP Software's products will be identified as "FTP Software products by NetManage, Inc". Q/. What will happen to my accrued Leave time (Out-time)? A/. Upon closing, NetManage will allow you to carry-over a maximum of 60 hours. Any hours in excess of 60 will be paid out to you after the closing. If you have earned less than 60 hours as an FTP Software employee, you will be able to carry-over the actual amount. This is also subject to regional regulations. Q/. What will happen to our products? A/. Existing products will continue to be sold and supported. The Integration Teams will review overlapping product areas and produce a product roadmap. As mentioned in the press release, and as you will see from the presentations, NetManage is excited about, and committed to, FTP Software's products and technology. Q/. What if the merger doesn't go through? A/. We are confident that the deal will close. However, we will continue our normal business operations appropriate to our strategic objectives. Q/. Will people be asked to relocate? A/. Depending on the needs of the new organization, which will be determined during the review period, it is possible some people may be asked to relocate. Q/. Can we contact someone at NetManage? A/. No. The integration teams should be the only point of contact between the two companies. However, we will establish a communications hotline to answer your questions. If you have any immediate concerns work them through your manager/VP. Q/. Has NetManage done mergers before and how well did they go? A/. Yes. The past two acquisitions were NetSoft and Relay-both of which have been successful. In fact, the ex-CEO of NetSoft, Pat Linehan, is the General Manager of NetManage's core business and Ted Joseph, the ex-CEO of Relay, is NetManage's head of OEM sales. Q/. What will the new management team look like and how will they be selected? A/. Once the business segments have been determined, we will review each of the senior management employees to determine the critical skills and demonstrated performance necessary for the new organization. From owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org Mon Jun 15 14:07:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by apocalypse.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) id OAA08039 for ftp-alumni-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 14:07:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: apocalypse.org: majordom set sender to owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org using -f Received: from mail.ttlc.net (mail.ttlc.net [208.130.9.4]) by apocalypse.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA08033 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 14:07:01 -0400 Message-Id: <199806151807.OAA08033@apocalypse.org> Received: from dial-3-76.ext.ttlc.net [208.134.174.76] by mail.ttlc.net (SMTPD32-4.03) id A29DC37E01C0; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 14:06:21 EST To: stev@Precision.Guesswork.Com Subject: Re: merger between NetManage and FTP Software From: jbvb@apocalypse.org (James VanBokkelen) Reply-To: jbvb@apocalypse.org Cc: ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org Date: Mon, 15 Jun 98 14:06:24 EST Sender: owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org Precedence: bulk >>Earlier, you asked about layoffs. Whether or not there will be >>layoffs after the merger, they aren't likely to say a word until the >>deal is approved by the shareholders. > >other people certainly do, as i recall. wasn't there talk from compaq about >layoffs with the digital buy? DEC + Compaq is a much bigger company, big enough that politicians could be expected to take an interest, so that stuff had to be discussed. I don't expect to hear much from Messrs. Hazzard and Alon. jbvb From owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org Mon Jun 15 18:59:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by apocalypse.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) id SAA25902 for ftp-alumni-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 18:59:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: apocalypse.org: majordom set sender to owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org using -f Received: from europe.std.com (europe.std.com [199.172.62.20]) by apocalypse.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA25898 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 18:59:42 -0400 Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.7.6/BZS-8-1.0) id SAA12145; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 18:59:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gordon (ppp0a033.std.com) by world.std.com (TheWorld/Spike-2.0) id AA19604; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 18:59:39 -0400 Message-Id: <199806152259.AA19604@world.std.com> X-Sender: gordonl@world.std.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 18:18:28 -0400 To: ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org From: Gordon J Lee Subject: Re: merger between NetManage and FTP Software In-Reply-To: <199806151807.OAA08033@apocalypse.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org Precedence: bulk So, after the deal goes through, I guess this list becomes involuntarily "closed" to new membership, right ? :-) I anticipate future commentary on how well or poorly Netmanage digests FTP. Hard to believe. I keep pinching and I don't wake up. - GL From owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org Mon Jun 15 19:23:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by apocalypse.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) id TAA27125 for ftp-alumni-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 19:23:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: apocalypse.org: majordom set sender to owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org using -f Received: from antiochus-fe0.ultra.net (antiochus-fe0.ultra.net [146.115.8.188]) by apocalypse.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA27121 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 19:23:14 -0400 Received: from boss (d150.dial-5.cmb.ma.ultra.net [209.6.68.150]) by antiochus-fe0.ultra.net (8.8.8/ult.n14767) with SMTP id TAA00939; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 19:23:12 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Larry Backman" From: "Larry Backman" To: , "Gordon J Lee" Subject: Re: merger between NetManage and FTP Software Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 19:17:14 -0400 Message-ID: <01bd98b3$bb5acd20$a67c7f80@boss> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org Precedence: bulk I truly enjoy the fact that FTP bought Firefox for 64M$ and was sold to netmanage for 68M$. Don't forget Hazard will probably weasel a few million out of this between his 2 year severance and the million odd shares he granted himself. Look closely at the SEC filings and check out how he and his cronies will make out. As I recall Glen-baby granted himself a nice chunk at $1.75. Almost as much a travesty as the grantings that went on in 93-94 as FTP prepared to go public. L. -----Original Message----- From: Gordon J Lee To: ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org Date: Monday, June 15, 1998 7:03 PM Subject: Re: merger between NetManage and FTP Software |So, after the deal goes through, I guess this list becomes |involuntarily "closed" to new membership, right ? :-) | |I anticipate future commentary on how well or poorly |Netmanage digests FTP. Hard to believe. I keep pinching |and I don't wake up. | | - GL | | | From owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org Tue Jun 16 08:00:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by apocalypse.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) id IAA16602 for ftp-alumni-outgoing; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 08:00:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: apocalypse.org: majordom set sender to owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org using -f Received: from mailnfs0.tiac.net (mailnfs0.tiac.net [199.0.65.17]) by apocalypse.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA16598 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 08:00:51 -0400 Received: from hochstetter (hochstetter.argon.com [208.234.161.53]) by mailnfs0.tiac.net (8.8.0/8.8) with SMTP id IAA23921 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 08:00:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980616080242.00980640@pop.tiac.net> X-Sender: kasten@pop.tiac.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 08:02:42 -0400 To: From: Frank Kastenholz Subject: Re: merger between NetManage and FTP Software In-Reply-To: <000801bd9863$4682bf80$61447f80@pmichien-1.ftp.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org Precedence: bulk hmmmm. let's see here. as of 31 march, ftp's assets were about 90 million, which includes about 10m in property, purchases software, etc. the rest is cash, investments, accounts receivable. so call it 80m "cash in the bank". they lost about 5m the first quarter. let's assume they'll lose maybe the same this quarter and third quarter. the deal is supposed to be done sometime q3. let's say that they do it 1/2 way through q3. so that's another 7.5 million in losses to expect between the end of q1 and when the deal gets done. 80m-7.5m = 72.5m "cash in the bank" when the deal gets done. and netmanage is buying ftp for about 77.4m. netmanage is paying 4.9m for ftp, and 72.5m for their 72.5m cash. fwiw, netmanage has about 98m cash and investments and they made a small profit in q1 -- about 500k. all these numbers are from the company's 10Q statements frank kastenholz From owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org Tue Jun 16 09:45:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by apocalypse.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) id JAA20087 for ftp-alumni-outgoing; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 09:45:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: apocalypse.org: majordom set sender to owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org using -f Received: from mail.ttlc.net (mail.ttlc.net [208.130.9.4]) by apocalypse.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA20078 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 09:45:00 -0400 Message-Id: <199806161345.JAA20078@apocalypse.org> Received: from dial-1-19.ext.ttlc.net [208.134.174.19] by mail.ttlc.net (SMTPD32-4.03) id A6B21100B8; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 09:44:18 EST To: kasten@tiac.net Subject: Re: merger between NetManage and FTP Software From: jbvb@apocalypse.org (James VanBokkelen) Reply-To: jbvb@apocalypse.org Cc: Date: Tue, 16 Jun 98 09:44:23 EST Sender: owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org Precedence: bulk >hmmmm. >let's see here. as of 31 march, ftp's assets were about 90 million, >which includes about 10m in property, purchases software, etc. the >rest is cash, investments, accounts receivable. so call it 80m >"cash in the bank". they lost about 5m the first quarter. let's >assume they'll lose maybe the same this quarter and third >quarter. the deal is supposed to be done sometime q3. let's say >that they do it 1/2 way through q3. so that's another 7.5 million >in losses to expect between the end of q1 and when the deal gets >done. > >80m-7.5m = 72.5m "cash in the bank" when the deal gets done. > >and netmanage is buying ftp for about 77.4m. > >netmanage is paying 4.9m for ftp, and 72.5m for their 72.5m cash. > > >fwiw, netmanage has about 98m cash and investments and they made >a small profit in q1 -- about 500k. > >all these numbers are from the company's 10Q statements Curioser and curioser. Hazzard gave himself lots of options at $1.78 last winter, so he's going to get just about a wash at 1 13/16 (yesterday's close). Possibly, he's just trying to bail, given that he's gotten nowhere... jbvb From owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org Tue Jun 16 10:00:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by apocalypse.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) id KAA20881 for ftp-alumni-outgoing; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 10:00:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: apocalypse.org: majordom set sender to owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org using -f Received: from mailrelay1.tfn.com (mailrelay1.tfn.com [198.80.144.7]) by apocalypse.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA20874 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 10:00:18 -0400 From: okeefe@tfn.com Received: from 198.80.144.9 by mailrelay1.tfn.com with SMTP (WorldSecure Server SMTP Relay v2.0.2); Tue, 16 Jun 98 09:55:46 -0400 X-Server-Uuid: b0832e76-507b-11d1-9cee-00e0290993bc Received: from messaging.tfn.com (messaging.tfn.com [164.179.13.7]) by r2.tfn.com (8.8.7/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA15102; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 09:58: 45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ccMail by messaging.tfn.com (IMA Internet Exchange 2.1 Enterprise) id 0027195C; Tue, 16 Jun 98 10:04:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 09:54:07 -0400 Message-ID: <0027195C.003038@tfn.com> To: , "Frank Kastenholz" Subject: Re[2]: merger between NetManage and FTP Software X-WSS-ID: 1998A6E8449402-1998A6E8449403-01 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=IMA.Boundary.078500898 Sender: owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org Precedence: bulk --IMA.Boundary.078500898 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Did you subtract out liabilities? I bet the "cash in the bank" number is even lower. Jamie ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: merger between NetManage and FTP Software Author: "Frank Kastenholz" at internet Date: 6/16/98 8:02 AM hmmmm. let's see here. as of 31 march, ftp's assets were about 90 million, which includes about 10m in property, purchases software, etc. the rest is cash, investments, accounts receivable. so call it 80m "cash in the bank". they lost about 5m the first quarter. let's assume they'll lose maybe the same this quarter and third quarter. the deal is supposed to be done sometime q3. let's say that they do it 1/2 way through q3. so that's another 7.5 million in losses to expect between the end of q1 and when the deal gets done. 80m-7.5m = 72.5m "cash in the bank" when the deal gets done. and netmanage is buying ftp for about 77.4m. netmanage is paying 4.9m for ftp, and 72.5m for their 72.5m cash. fwiw, netmanage has about 98m cash and investments and they made a small profit in q1 -- about 500k. all these numbers are from the company's 10Q statements frank kastenholz --IMA.Boundary.078500898 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; name="RFC822 message headers" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Content-Disposition: inline; filename="RFC822 message headers" Received: from r2.tfn.com (164.179.13.3) by messaging.tfn.com with SMTP (IMA Internet Exchange 2.1 Enterprise) id 0027126A; Tue, 16 Jun 98 08:08:40 -0400 Received: from mailrelay2.tfn.com (mailrelay2.tfn.com [198.80.144.8]) by r2.tfn.com (8.8.7/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA05187 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 08:02:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 192.48.232.17 by mailrelay2.tfn.com with SMTP ( WorldSecure Server SMTP Relay v2.0.2); Tue, 16 Jun 98 08:01:03 -0400 X-Server-Uuid: b0832e76-507b-11d1-9cee-00e0290993bc Received: (from majordom@localhost) by apocalypse.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) id IAA16602 for ftp-alumni-outgoing; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 08:00:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: apocalypse.org: majordom set sender to owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org using -f Received: from mailnfs0.tiac.net (mailnfs0.tiac.net [199.0.65.17]) by apocalypse.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA16598 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 08:00:51 -0400 Received: from hochstetter (hochstetter.argon.com [208.234.161.53]) by mailnfs0.tiac.net (8.8.0/8.8) with SMTP id IAA23921 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 08:00:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980616080242.00980640@pop.tiac.net> X-Sender: kasten@pop.tiac.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 08:02:42 -0400 To: From: "Frank Kastenholz" Subject: Re: merger between NetManage and FTP Software In-Reply-To: <000801bd9863$4682bf80$61447f80@pmichien-1.ftp.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: Precedence: bulk X-WSS-ID: 199881F4544460-199881F5544461-01 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --IMA.Boundary.078500898-- From owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org Tue Jun 16 10:43:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by apocalypse.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) id KAA22369 for ftp-alumni-outgoing; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 10:43:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: apocalypse.org: majordom set sender to owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org using -f Received: from shultz.argon.com (shultz.argon.com [208.234.161.2]) by apocalypse.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA22365 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 10:43:26 -0400 Received: from hochstetter (hochstetter.argon.com [208.234.161.53]) by shultz.argon.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id KAA07096 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 10:43:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980616104612.00921460@shultz.argon.com> X-Sender: kasten@shultz.argon.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 10:46:12 -0400 To: From: Frank Kastenholz Subject: Re: Re[2]: merger between NetManage and FTP Software In-Reply-To: <0027195C.003038@tfn.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org Precedence: bulk At 09:54 AM 6/16/98 -0400, okeefe@tfn.com wrote: > Did you subtract out liabilities? I bet the "cash in the bank" number > is even lower. grrrr. grumble. that's what i get for doing high-finance before my first cup of coffee.... their liabilities at the end of q1 were about 18m. the liabilities include things like accounts payable, income-tax-payable, and so on. my poor understanding is that since these are pretty much all "operational" things, the theory is that they are covered by the revenue stream. since they've been running losses, they would have to dip into the "cash in the bank" to make up for the shortfall. if they had any kind of long-term debts (eg, if they built their own building and owed the mortgage on it...) that would be counted, but of course, then the building would also have some value as an asset to offset some of the liability. (of course, i'll defer to anyone who actually _understands_ accounting...) frank kastenholz - who a year ago left a 10yr old company with a set of products and a revenue stream and money in the bank to go to a startup without even its first round of $ -- and wondered which would vaporize first... From owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org Tue Jun 16 10:48:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by apocalypse.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) id KAA22800 for ftp-alumni-outgoing; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 10:48:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: apocalypse.org: majordom set sender to owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org using -f Received: from shultz.argon.com (shultz.argon.com [208.234.161.2]) by apocalypse.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA22795; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 10:48:23 -0400 Received: from hochstetter (hochstetter.argon.com [208.234.161.53]) by shultz.argon.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id KAA07189; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 10:48:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980616105110.00a13740@shultz.argon.com> X-Sender: kasten@shultz.argon.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 10:51:10 -0400 To: jbvb@apocalypse.org, From: Frank Kastenholz Subject: Re: merger between NetManage and FTP Software In-Reply-To: <199806161345.JAA20078@apocalypse.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org Precedence: bulk At 09:44 AM 6/16/98 EST, James VanBokkelen wrote: > >Curioser and curioser. Hazzard gave himself lots of options at $1.78 >last winter, so he's going to get just about a wash at 1 13/16 >(yesterday's close). Possibly, he's just trying to bail, given that >he's gotten nowhere... his options will get converted into netm options (per the faq that was emailed to the list). the way i read it, the number of options gets multiplied by the netm-to-ftp share ration (.73) and the price gets divided by it. so if he had 1,000 options at 1.78, he'll end up with 730 options at $2.44 (netm is trading right now (1049am) at 2 7/8, down 1/16 -- so he'd still make money) frank kastenholz From owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org Tue Jun 16 11:45:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by apocalypse.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) id LAA26418 for ftp-alumni-outgoing; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:45:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: apocalypse.org: majordom set sender to owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org using -f Received: from mailrelay1.tfn.com (mailrelay1.tfn.com [198.80.144.7]) by apocalypse.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA26414 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:45:26 -0400 From: okeefe@tfn.com Received: from 198.80.144.9 by mailrelay1.tfn.com with SMTP (WorldSecure Server SMTP Relay v2.0.2); Tue, 16 Jun 98 11:40:58 -0400 X-Server-Uuid: b0832e76-507b-11d1-9cee-00e0290993bc Received: from messaging.tfn.com (messaging.tfn.com [164.179.13.7]) by r2.tfn.com (8.8.7/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA23383; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:43: 57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ccMail by messaging.tfn.com (IMA Internet Exchange 2.1 Enterprise) id 002721CE; Tue, 16 Jun 98 11:49:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:37:42 -0400 Message-ID: <002721CE.003038@tfn.com> To: , "Frank Kastenholz" Subject: Re[4]: merger between NetManage and FTP Software X-WSS-ID: 19984D80460674-19984D80460675-01 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=IMA.Boundary.771210898 Sender: owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org Precedence: bulk --IMA.Boundary.771210898 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part > - who a year ago left a 10yr old company with a set of products > and a revenue stream and money in the bank to go to a startup > without even its first round of $ -- and wondered which would vaporize > first... At my previous employer, a small startup called Athena Design, the founder and I joked at which would close first, NeXT or Digital. The funny thing is, Athena laid everyone off first (though it still exists as much smaller entity with a modified product and slightly different market focus.) Next was the Apple-NeXT acquisition. Finally, Compaq acquired Digital. Ironic. peace Jamie --IMA.Boundary.771210898 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; name="RFC822 message headers" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Content-Disposition: inline; filename="RFC822 message headers" Received: from r2.tfn.com (164.179.13.3) by messaging.tfn.com with SMTP (IMA Internet Exchange 2.1 Enterprise) id 00271D5D; Tue, 16 Jun 98 10:51:45 -0400 Received: from mailrelay2.tfn.com (mailrelay2.tfn.com [198.80.144.8]) by r2.tfn.com (8.8.7/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA19007 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 10:45:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 192.48.232.17 by mailrelay2.tfn.com with SMTP ( WorldSecure Server SMTP Relay v2.0.2); Tue, 16 Jun 98 10:43:57 -0400 X-Server-Uuid: b0832e76-507b-11d1-9cee-00e0290993bc Received: (from majordom@localhost) by apocalypse.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) id KAA22369 for ftp-alumni-outgoing; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 10:43:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: apocalypse.org: majordom set sender to owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org using -f Received: from shultz.argon.com (shultz.argon.com [208.234.161.2]) by apocalypse.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA22365 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 10:43:26 -0400 Received: from hochstetter (hochstetter.argon.com [208.234.161.53]) by shultz.argon.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id KAA07096 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 10:43:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980616104612.00921460@shultz.argon.com> X-Sender: kasten@shultz.argon.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 10:46:12 -0400 To: From: "Frank Kastenholz" Subject: Re: Re[2]: merger between NetManage and FTP Software In-Reply-To: <0027195C.003038@tfn.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: Precedence: bulk X-WSS-ID: 19985B21560599-19985B26560600-01 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --IMA.Boundary.771210898-- From owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org Tue Jun 16 13:47:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by apocalypse.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) id NAA02754 for ftp-alumni-outgoing; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 13:47:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: apocalypse.org: majordom set sender to owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org using -f Received: from blaze-net.com (barry.blaze-net.com [199.103.238.10]) by apocalypse.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA02746; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 13:47:26 -0400 Received: from blaze-net.com by blaze-net.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA06226; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 13:54:53 -0400 Message-ID: <3586AFAA.77D0342@blaze-net.com> Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 13:47:22 -0400 From: Frank Solensky Organization: BlazeNet Inc X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 i86pc) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Frank Kastenholz CC: jbvb@apocalypse.org, ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org Subject: Re: merger between NetManage and FTP Software References: <3.0.3.32.19980616105110.00a13740@shultz.argon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org Precedence: bulk Frank Kastenholz wrote: > > so if he had 1,000 options at 1.78, he'll > end up with 730 options at $2.44 (netm is trading right now (1049am) > at 2 7/8, down 1/16 -- so he'd still make money) Not a heck of a lot, though: $1.20 (though one could say that he's earned it). Even options on a million shares comes to less than a week's pay. From owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org Tue Jun 16 13:56:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by apocalypse.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) id NAA03473 for ftp-alumni-outgoing; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 13:56:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: apocalypse.org: majordom set sender to owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org using -f Received: from precision.guesswork.com (root@Precision.GUESSWORK.Com [209.218.15.100]) by apocalypse.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA03459; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 13:56:18 -0400 Received: from woburn.guesswork.com (Woburn.GUESSWORK.Com [209.218.15.126]) by precision.guesswork.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA19706; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 13:56:10 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980616135740.006db120@guesswork.com> X-Sender: stev@guesswork.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 13:57:40 -0400 To: Frank Solensky , Frank Kastenholz From: stev knowles Subject: Re: merger between NetManage and FTP Software Cc: jbvb@apocalypse.org, ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org In-Reply-To: <3586AFAA.77D0342@blaze-net.com> References: <3.0.3.32.19980616105110.00a13740@shultz.argon.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org Precedence: bulk >Frank Kastenholz wrote: >> >> so if he had 1,000 options at 1.78, he'll >> end up with 730 options at $2.44 (netm is trading right now (1049am) >> at 2 7/8, down 1/16 -- so he'd still make money) > >Not a heck of a lot, though: $1.20 (though one could say that he's >earned it). Even options on a million shares comes to less than >a week's pay. assuming, of course, that the stock doesn't go back up when the market groks the brilliance of the move:) From owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org Wed Jun 17 08:37:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by apocalypse.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) id IAA19310 for ftp-alumni-outgoing; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 08:37:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: apocalypse.org: majordom set sender to owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org using -f Received: from europe.std.com (europe.std.com [199.172.62.20]) by apocalypse.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA19306 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 08:37:10 -0400 Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.7.6/BZS-8-1.0) id IAA24449; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 08:37:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gordon (ppp0a016.std.com) by world.std.com (TheWorld/Spike-2.0) id AA19964; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 08:37:06 -0400 Message-Id: <199806171237.AA19964@world.std.com> X-Sender: gordonl@world.std.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 07:52:47 -0400 To: From: Gordon J Lee Subject: Re: merger between NetManage and FTP Software In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19980616080242.00980640@pop.tiac.net> References: <000801bd9863$4682bf80$61447f80@pmichien-1.ftp.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org Precedence: bulk >fwiw, netmanage has about 98m cash and investments and they made >a small profit in q1 -- about 500k. This gives new hope for FTPS holders, or at least those who bought in the $5 and less range. Perhaps after a year or two NETM will get bought out too. I haven't been keeping score in the product space lately. What is the overlap between products these days ? FTP brings kernels to the table but that is a moot point now. They both have NFS, right ? Is FTP's leagues better ? How does FTP's telnet family match up with Netmanages ? The X-Windows fiasco is neatly resolved. What happens with the IBM relationship ? Will the new rumours be that IBM will buy NETM ? Gotta get one of those Truman Show buttons: "How is it going to end?" - GL From owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org Wed Jun 17 08:37:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by apocalypse.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) id IAA19316 for ftp-alumni-outgoing; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 08:37:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: apocalypse.org: majordom set sender to owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org using -f Received: from europe.std.com (europe.std.com [199.172.62.20]) by apocalypse.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA19312 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 08:37:12 -0400 Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.7.6/BZS-8-1.0) id IAA24452; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 08:37:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gordon (ppp0a016.std.com) by world.std.com (TheWorld/Spike-2.0) id AA19994; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 08:37:09 -0400 Message-Id: <199806171237.AA19994@world.std.com> X-Sender: gordonl@world.std.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 07:55:53 -0400 To: From: Gordon J Lee Subject: Re: merger between NetManage and FTP Software In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19980616080242.00980640@pop.tiac.net> References: <000801bd9863$4682bf80$61447f80@pmichien-1.ftp.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org Precedence: bulk >80m-7.5m = 72.5m "cash in the bank" when the deal gets done. That's a good point, what happens to the deal if FTP's Q2 loss is unexpectedly big, or Q3 losses are shaping up to be big. - GL From owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org Wed Jun 17 09:04:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by apocalypse.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) id JAA20620 for ftp-alumni-outgoing; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 09:04:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: apocalypse.org: majordom set sender to owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org using -f Received: from shultz.argon.com (shultz.argon.com [208.234.161.2]) by apocalypse.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA20616 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 09:04:08 -0400 Received: from hochstetter (hochstetter.argon.com [208.234.161.53]) by shultz.argon.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id JAA04520; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 09:04:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980617090400.009bb590@shultz.argon.com> X-Sender: kasten@shultz.argon.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 09:04:00 -0400 To: Gordon J Lee , From: Frank Kastenholz Subject: Re: merger between NetManage and FTP Software In-Reply-To: <199806171237.AA19964@world.std.com> References: <3.0.3.32.19980616080242.00980640@pop.tiac.net> <000801bd9863$4682bf80$61447f80@pmichien-1.ftp.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org Precedence: bulk At 07:52 AM 6/17/98 -0400, Gordon J Lee wrote: >This gives new hope for FTPS holders, or at least those who bought in >the $5 and less range. Perhaps after a year or two NETM will get bought >out too. by who? why would they want them? (but then, i'd have said that about ftp... no accounting and all that...) >Gotta get one of those Truman Show buttons: "How is it going to end?" easy. ftp is finally going to be in a position to destroy their arch-rival, netmanage From owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org Wed Jun 17 17:33:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by apocalypse.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) id RAA20772 for ftp-alumni-outgoing; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 17:33:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: apocalypse.org: majordom set sender to owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org using -f Received: from antiochus-fe0.ultra.net (antiochus-fe0.ultra.net [146.115.8.188]) by apocalypse.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA20762 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 17:32:58 -0400 Received: from boss (d95.dial-5.cmb.ma.ultra.net [209.6.68.95]) by antiochus-fe0.ultra.net (8.8.8/ult.n14767) with SMTP id RAA09727; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 17:32:56 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Larry Backman" From: "Larry Backman" To: "Gordon J Lee" , , "Frank Kastenholz" Subject: Re: merger between NetManage and FTP Software Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 17:25:26 -0400 Message-ID: <01bd9a36$71ce5120$a67c7f80@boss> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org Precedence: bulk | |>Gotta get one of those Truman Show buttons: "How is it going to end?" | |easy. | |ftp is finally going to be in a position to destroy |their arch-rival, netmanage | at this point - who cares... From owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org Wed Jun 17 17:48:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by apocalypse.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) id RAA21761 for ftp-alumni-outgoing; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 17:48:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: apocalypse.org: majordom set sender to owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org using -f Received: (from laurel@localhost) by apocalypse.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) id RAA21756; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 17:48:21 -0400 Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 17:48:21 -0400 Message-Id: <199806172148.RAA21756@apocalypse.org> From: fluffy spice To: ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org Subject: Re: merger between NetManage and FTP Software Sender: owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org Precedence: bulk So, who still has their really neat t-shirt designed by Nancy DeMarco, with the pregnant Raven swooping down on a oddly NetManage like chameleon? laurel From owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org Wed Jun 17 18:10:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by apocalypse.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) id SAA23115 for ftp-alumni-outgoing; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 18:10:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: apocalypse.org: majordom set sender to owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org using -f Received: from relay1.UU.NET (relay1.UU.NET [192.48.96.5]) by apocalypse.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA23107 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 18:10:16 -0400 Received: from intra by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: four.davox.com [208.196.3.74]) id QQeufg16391; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 18:10:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from antioch (antioch.davox.com [192.168.64.100]) by postoffice.davox.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA13035 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 18:16:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 18:08:19 -0400 Message-ID: <01bd9a1a.e86b1140.sardonis@davox.com> From: John Perreault To: "ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org" Subject: RE: merger between NetManage and FTP Software Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 18:08:17 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org Precedence: bulk > So, who still has their really neat t-shirt designed by Nancy DeMarco, > with the pregnant Raven swooping down on a oddly NetManage like chameleon? > Sitting in the drawer with my $100,000,000 shirt. John Perreault From owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org Wed Jun 17 18:51:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by apocalypse.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) id SAA25676 for ftp-alumni-outgoing; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 18:51:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: apocalypse.org: majordom set sender to owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f131.hotmail.com [207.82.251.10]) by apocalypse.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA25669 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 18:51:38 -0400 Received: (qmail 12269 invoked by uid 0); 17 Jun 1998 22:51:07 -0000 Message-ID: <19980617225107.12268.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.167.112.129 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 15:51:07 PDT X-Originating-IP: [204.167.112.129] From: "Todd Prior" To: ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org Subject: Re: merger between NetManage and FTP Software Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 15:51:07 PDT Sender: owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org Precedence: bulk Keith Erskine, now at Security Dynamics, still wears his.... >From: fluffy spice >To: ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org >Subject: Re: merger between NetManage and FTP Software >Sender: owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org >Precedence: bulk > > > So, who still has their really neat t-shirt designed by Nancy DeMarco, > with the pregnant Raven swooping down on a oddly NetManage like chameleon? > > > laurel > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org Thu Jun 18 09:39:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by apocalypse.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) id JAA25315 for ftp-alumni-outgoing; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 09:39:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: apocalypse.org: majordom set sender to owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org using -f Received: from precision.guesswork.com (root@Precision.GUESSWORK.Com [209.218.15.100]) by apocalypse.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA25309 for ; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 09:39:50 -0400 Received: from amesbury.guesswork.com (Amesbury.GUESSWORK.Com [209.218.15.134]) by precision.guesswork.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA28783 for precision.guesswork.com; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 09:39:49 -0400 Message-Id: <199806181339.JAA28783@precision.guesswork.com> X-MAPI-MessageClass: IPM To: ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org X-Mailer: FTP Software Internet Mail 2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Cris Shuldiner Subject: RE: merger between NetManage and FTP Software Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 09:43:06 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org Precedence: bulk #with the pregnant Raven swooping down on a oddly #NetManage like chameleon? # Anyone up for one with a dead raven being munched on by a Chameleon? Or maybe, we should just break out the Big Move Shirts... Cris. From owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org Thu Jun 18 11:59:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by apocalypse.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) id LAA02335 for ftp-alumni-outgoing; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 11:59:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: apocalypse.org: majordom set sender to owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org using -f Received: (from paul@localhost) by apocalypse.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) id LAA02329; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 11:59:16 -0400 Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 11:59:16 -0400 Message-Id: <199806181559.LAA02329@apocalypse.org> From: Paul Selkirk To: ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org In-reply-to: <01bd9a1a.e86b1140.sardonis@davox.com> (message from John Perreault on Wed, 17 Jun 1998 18:08:17 -0400) Subject: Re: merger between NetManage and FTP Software References: <01bd9a1a.e86b1140.sardonis@davox.com> Sender: owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org Precedence: bulk Coincidentally, Josh is wearing his $100,000,000 shirt today, and I'm wearing the Beame&Whiteside tractor shirt. I have it on good authority that Zvi Allon is still pissed off about the Chameleon BBQ shirt (and that wasn't even one of ours, it was another B&W special). paul From owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org Thu Jun 18 12:21:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by apocalypse.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) id MAA03978 for ftp-alumni-outgoing; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 12:21:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: apocalypse.org: majordom set sender to owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org using -f Received: from zipper.cisco.com (zipper.cisco.com [171.69.63.31]) by apocalypse.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA03971; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 12:21:57 -0400 Received: (fox@localhost) by zipper.cisco.com (8.8.5-Cisco.2-SunOS.5.5.1.sun4/8.6.5) id JAA19107; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 09:21:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Craig Fox Message-Id: <199806181621.JAA19107@zipper.cisco.com> Subject: Re: merger between NetManage and FTP Software To: paul@apocalypse.org (Paul Selkirk) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 09:21:26 -0700 (PDT) Cc: ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org In-Reply-To: <199806181559.LAA02329@apocalypse.org> from "Paul Selkirk" at Jun 18, 98 11:59:16 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org Precedence: bulk > > Coincidentally, Josh is wearing his $100,000,000 shirt today, and I'm > wearing the Beame&Whiteside tractor shirt. > I have a tractor shirt but I have no idea what a $100,000,000 shirt looks like. > I have it on good authority that Zvi Allon is still pissed off about > the Chameleon BBQ shirt (and that wasn't even one of ours, it was > another B&W special). > I should probably offer to loan my BBQ shirt to a current employee for when Zvi next visits. Craig > paul > From owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org Fri Jun 19 09:47:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by apocalypse.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) id JAA31913 for ftp-alumni-outgoing; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 09:47:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: apocalypse.org: majordom set sender to owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org using -f Received: from precision.guesswork.com (root@Precision.GUESSWORK.Com [209.218.15.100]) by apocalypse.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA31908; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 09:47:20 -0400 Received: from woburn.guesswork.com (Woburn.GUESSWORK.Com [209.218.15.126]) by precision.guesswork.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA03575; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 09:47:19 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980619093619.0350c184@guesswork.com> X-Sender: stev@guesswork.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 09:36:19 -0400 To: fluffy spice , ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org From: stev knowles Subject: Re: merger between NetManage and FTP Software In-Reply-To: <199806172148.RAA21756@apocalypse.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org Precedence: bulk > > So, who still has their really neat t-shirt designed by Nancy DeMarco, > with the pregnant Raven swooping down on a oddly NetManage like chameleon? time to do another shirt, with the chameleon cooking the raven on the grill. From owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org Fri Jun 19 09:52:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by apocalypse.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) id JAA32158 for ftp-alumni-outgoing; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 09:52:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: apocalypse.org: majordom set sender to owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org using -f Received: from precision.guesswork.com (root@Precision.GUESSWORK.Com [209.218.15.100]) by apocalypse.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA32149; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 09:52:20 -0400 Received: from woburn.guesswork.com (Woburn.GUESSWORK.Com [209.218.15.126]) by precision.guesswork.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA03605; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 09:52:19 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980619095045.035102c0@guesswork.com> X-Sender: stev@guesswork.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 09:50:45 -0400 To: Paul Selkirk , ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org From: stev knowles Subject: Re: merger between NetManage and FTP Software In-Reply-To: <199806181559.LAA02329@apocalypse.org> References: <01bd9a1a.e86b1140.sardonis@davox.com> <01bd9a1a.e86b1140.sardonis@davox.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org Precedence: bulk >I have it on good authority that Zvi Allon is still pissed off about >the Chameleon BBQ shirt (and that wasn't even one of ours, it was >another B&W special). > well, he certainly had the last laugh, didnt he, since the three companies featured on the shirt are not in the business themselves anymore . . . . From owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org Fri Jun 19 10:10:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by apocalypse.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) id KAA00732 for ftp-alumni-outgoing; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 10:10:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: apocalypse.org: majordom set sender to owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org using -f Received: from mailrelay1.tfn.com (mailrelay1.tfn.com [198.80.144.7]) by apocalypse.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA00721; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 10:10:26 -0400 From: okeefe@tfn.com Received: from 198.80.144.9 by mailrelay1.tfn.com with SMTP (WorldSecure Server SMTP Relay v2.0.2); Fri, 19 Jun 98 10:04:12 -0400 X-Server-Uuid: b0832e76-507b-11d1-9cee-00e0290993bc Received: from messaging.tfn.com (messaging.tfn.com [164.179.13.7]) by r2.tfn.com (8.8.7/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA01763; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 10:07: 19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ccMail by messaging.tfn.com (IMA Internet Exchange 2.1 Enterprise) id 0027BB72; Fri, 19 Jun 98 10:12:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 10:04:01 -0400 Message-ID: <0027BB72.003038@tfn.com> To: "fluffy spice" , , "stev knowles" Subject: Re[2]: merger between NetManage and FTP Software X-WSS-ID: 1994B056642172-1994B056642173-01 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=IMA.Boundary.845562898 Sender: owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org Precedence: bulk --IMA.Boundary.845562898 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Nah! How about one with Bill Gates cooking a raven and a chameleon? Seems more likely. Jamie ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: merger between NetManage and FTP Software Author: "stev knowles" at internet Date: 6/19/98 9:36 AM > > So, who still has their really neat t-shirt designed by Nancy DeMarco, > with the pregnant Raven swooping down on a oddly NetManage like chameleon? time to do another shirt, with the chameleon cooking the raven on the grill. --IMA.Boundary.845562898 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; name="RFC822 message headers" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Content-Disposition: inline; filename="RFC822 message headers" Received: from r2.tfn.com (164.179.13.3) by messaging.tfn.com with SMTP (IMA Internet Exchange 2.1 Enterprise) id 0027BA4A; Fri, 19 Jun 98 09:56:55 -0400 Received: from mailrelay2.tfn.com (mailrelay2.tfn.com [198.80.144.8]) by r2.tfn.com (8.8.7/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA00530 for ; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 09:50:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 192.48.232.17 by mailrelay2.tfn.com with SMTP ( WorldSecure Server SMTP Relay v2.0.2); Fri, 19 Jun 98 09:49:01 -0400 X-Server-Uuid: b0832e76-507b-11d1-9cee-00e0290993bc Received: (from majordom@localhost) by apocalypse.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) id JAA31913 for ftp-alumni-outgoing; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 09:47:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: apocalypse.org: majordom set sender to owner-ftp-alumni@apocalypse.org using -f Received: from precision.guesswork.com (root@Precision.GUESSWORK.Com [209.218.15.100]) by apocalypse.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA31908; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 09:47:20 -0400 Received: from woburn.guesswork.com (Woburn.GUESSWORK.Com [209.218.15.126]) by precision.guesswork.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA03575; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 09:47:19 -0400 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980619093619.0350c184@guesswork.com> X-Sender: stev@guesswork.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 09:36:19 -0400 To: "fluffy spice" , From: "stev knowles" Subject: Re: merger between NetManage and FTP Software In-Reply-To: <199806172148.RAA21756@apocalypse.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: Precedence: