From owner-hexagram-8-digest@apocalypse.org Mon Feb 7 21:30:46 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by apocalypse.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA24898 for hexagram-8-digest-outgoing; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 21:30:46 -0500 Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 21:30:46 -0500 Message-Id: <200002080230.VAA24898@apocalypse.org> X-Authentication-Warning: apocalypse.org: majordom set sender to owner-hexagram-8-digest@apocalypse.org using -f From: owner-hexagram-8-digest@apocalypse.org (hexagram-8-digest) To: hexagram-8-digest@apocalypse.org Subject: hexagram-8-digest V1 #157 Reply-To: hexagram-8@apocalypse.org Sender: owner-hexagram-8-digest@apocalypse.org Errors-To: owner-hexagram-8-digest@apocalypse.org Precedence: bulk hexagram-8-digest Monday, February 7 2000 Volume 01 : Number 157 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 20:48:29 +0100 From: "Danny Van den Berghe" Subject: Re: HEX8: Wisdom and freedom (cont'd) > The lesson I am drawing from this is that the list rules must be clearly > laid out. Tim was right about one thing -- the prohibition against binary > attachments may not have been made clearly enough for some people. > > To this end, I am putting together a brief list of rules that I will post > on a monthly basis. Here are the ones I have so far; suggestions for > improvements are welcome. > > 1. No spamming. > 2. No flaming. > 3. No binary attachments. > 4. No HTML or other encoding; plain text only. > 5. Avoid off-topic posts as much as possible. > 6. Breaking rules 1 through 4 (not 5) may result in immediate unsubscription. > > That's it for the rules. Comments? I'm especially interested in hearing > what people say about "time-out" periods -- that is, unsubscribing someone > for a period of time, then letting them resubscribe later. (I am thinking > about doing this for Roland.) > > Ron Hi Ron, Why not move the list to Onelist.com ? It has many advantages. You can set all kinds of options which allow you to create the list exactly as you want it to be. If you choose no attachments, all attachments are automatically removed. You need not spend time subscribing or unsubscribing people. People can temporarily "freeze" their subscription, for example when they go for holiday... There is a shared file area where people can upload the attachments they want to show.. The only drawback is a small advertisement that is added to the end of each email. I don't see much reason to keep using majordomo.. All the best, Danny ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 14:06:48 EST From: Autorbis@aol.com Subject: Re: HEX8: Wisdom and freedom (cont'd) << Why not move the list to Onelist.com ? >> Yes, I think, this might be a good idea .... Lothar ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 17:04:53 -0600 From: "jayem" Subject: HEX8: Fu Hsi Hi Monica (and all), Thanks for rubbing my nose in the Fu Hsi arrangment. I had seen it before but dismissed it (ok, binary arrangement, ho-hum). Now I think maybe King Wen should've taken up flower-arranging and left the Yi to the big boys. (Just joking, guys!) You're definitely right about the Fu Hsi reflecting universal cycles. What does the King Wen reflect? I had looked for correspondences between the ZodiOct system and the King Wen arrangement with little success. In the Fu Hsi, however, everything fits perfectly. Not only folding on the diagonals, but by folding vertically and/or horizontally, or by cutting along a diagonal, horizontal or vertical axis and superimposing by sliding the halves down or over, or by turning them around and placing one half on the other. There are fairly obvious mathematical reasons for it, but it's still fascinating how it all comes together. It's too lengthy to post here and cumbersome to explain without diagrams, so I'm putting up a page on my site-- www.crosswinds.net/~jayem/fuhsi.htm It won't be linked to the rest of the site because it will just be diagrams and notes. It's just the main diagram right now. [Just a note about how the 24 hexagrams for the 12 zodiac signs are arrived at. Each sign is part of two trigrams, one male and one female. Those two trigrams together represent that sign. So, in your excellent shorthand, if the male trigram is I and the female J, the Zodiac sign can be either I/J or J/I.] By the way, have you noticed how the nuclear hexagrams fit into the Fu Hsi? (The nuclear hexagrams being the only 16 hexagrams that can be nuclear hexagrams, 4 of them being nuclear hexagrams of the other 12-- 0/0 --> 0/1, 4/0, and 4/1 7/7 --> 7/6, 3/7, and 3/6 2/5 --> 2/4, 6/5, and 6/4 5/2 --> 5/3, 1/2, and 1/3) If you cut along the horizontal axis and slide the top down over the bottom half, it brings the 4 hexagrams of each group together, and they run diagonally across the grid. Cute. I wonder if there's a reason for it. Love, ~Jay~ www.crosswinds.net/~jayem ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 09:46:52 -0500 From: "Dr R. Butler" Subject: Re: HEX8: Binary attachments (was: Yet another...) Dear Ron, As our HEX8 umpire, perhaps American baseball has a better rule: One, Two, Three strikes yer out in the ol' ball game :-) Suggesting patience and leniency with newcomers, Rhett >>With respect to my last email, I am enclosed a GIF file for your >>reference also. >> >>from >>Roland > >Binary attachments are not permitted on Hexagram-8. I sent a message about >this to the list less than a month ago. > >The poster has been unsubscribed. If you want fellow list-members to see a >graphic, put it up at a website and provide a URL, or offer to email it >privately. > >Ron H-E > ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 17:08:45 -0600 From: Charlie Higgins Subject: Re: HEX8: Table indexing Ritsema & Karcher's glossary / concordance Larry Moore, a man I met through my site, sent me a table indexing R&K's glossary/concordance entries by their Wade-Giles romanizations, and also one in Wade-Giles - Pin Yin. I asked him if I could share it and he agreed. There are two files in MS Word 97 format in a nicely set up table. Any of you interested in obtaining a copy of it, let me know and I will set it up in ZIP format for download on my site. If you need it in another WP format, I think MS Word will convert to others. As I said, it is in a table format and the table might not transfer to other WP's. In that case I could transfer it to an ASCII or RTF. Anyone interested? Charlie Higgins - ---------------------- Mensionization Complementation New Insights on Ancient Paradigms http://www.mension.com ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 05:04:11 EST From: Autorbis@aol.com Subject: Re: HEX8: Table indexing Ritsema & Karcher's glossary / concordance In einer eMail vom 16.01.2000 00:17:25, schreiben Sie: << Larry Moore, a man I met through my site, sent me a table indexing R&K's glossary/concordance entries by their Wade-Giles romanizations, and also one in Wade-Giles - Pin Yin. I asked him if I could share it and he agreed. There are two files in MS Word 97 format in a nicely set up table. Any of you interested in obtaining a copy of it, let me know and I will set it up in ZIP format for download on my site. If you need it in another WP format, I think MS Word will convert to others. As I said, it is in a table format and the table might not transfer to other WP's. In that case I could transfer it to an ASCII or RTF. Anyone interested? >> Yes. Word 6.0. Lothar ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 13:05:57 From: steve@fortstudy.win-uk.net (Steve Moore) Subject: HEX8: Oracle 10 Hi All, The latest issue of my Yijing journal, the Oracle (No. 10), is now published, and was mailed out to subscribers a few days ago. For those who may be interestsd, the main contents of this issue are: Steve Moore: Editorial: Turning Points Editorial essay reviewing the current state of Yijing studies and their development over the last century. Kidder Smith: The Yijing In and Out of History The multiplicity of the Yijing and its geometric, historical and religious aspects. Peter Butterworth: A Functional Analysis of Synchronicity and the Yijing - Part One: The Conservation and Convergence of Meaning Synchronicity and the Yijing, from a Jungian and Taoist viewpoint. S.J. Marshall: Melons, Willows, Hoarfrost and Creepers Marriage customs in the Yijing Books of Change: Review Section. Monica Salyer & Gilbert Leal: "Omei I Ching: Mechanics of the I Ching" [reviewed by Andreas Schoter]. Marlene Cornelius (ed.): "Yiking - A Beastly Book of Changes" [reviewed by William Fancourt]. Steve Moore: Whose Heart? A Research Note on Hexagram 56 Wang Hai as the "Wanderer". Correspondences: Letters Section. 53 pages, plus covers. More details, as well as information about subscriptions and sample copies, can be found at the Oracle website: http://www.mension.com/oracle/index.htm Or please email me direct, at: steve@fortstudy.win-uk.net All the best, Steve ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 07:44:02 -0800 From: wayne_rebecca Subject: HEX8: test test - -- Wayne & Rebecca Lowry Springfield, Oregon wayne_rebecca@iname.com ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 19:27:08 -0200 From: "Ely Britto" Subject: HEX8: Pinochet and I Ching's prediction Hi Wayne! I think the list is quiet now. Let's see if I am right...... Dear Friends, Today I received a letter from a friend from Chile. I thought it was interesting enough to share it with you. As you know, the British Government arrested and is holding Pinochet. This article was Published by the newspaper *La Republica En La Red* on 23 January, page 27. I will post the translated to English and corrected by Steve Moore. (thanks so much Steve!) I think it will be interesting to see what will really happen. Unfortunately the details of the reading, (the moving lines, and the question) were not given. What do you think about Hexagram 23 as his hexagram for the moment?? Enjoy it! Ely LA REPUBLICA EN LA RED 23/01/00 Santiago, Reuters The dictator Augusto Pinochet will return to Chile, but will never face the laws of Chile and his return will bring a lot of problems to socialist president, Ricardo Lagos. Those are premonitions made by the I Ching, the millennia-old book of China, the same book that said at the end of 1997, when it seemed impossible, that Pinochet would be arrested in London. "When Pinochet returns, he will not be tried and the military forces will follow him," said Ricardo Andre, who became famous as an I Ching reader for predicting the arrest of Pinochet in London. The old dictator has been in jail in London for 15 month now at the request of the Spanish Judge Baltazar Garzon, who is trying to bring him to trial for the crimes he commited against humankind when he was governing Chile, from 1973 to 1990. But the British Government gave permission one week ago for the return of Pinochet, saying that his health is too bad to face the laws in Spain.. In October 1998, when he was arrested, the I Ching said that he would never be tried in Spain. Ricardo Andre gave many interviews to the press assuring them that Pinochet would never be tried in Spain. Now he is repeating the same. "I insist that Pinochet will never be confronted by Chilean law, and will not come back as a senator," said Andre, a journalist who has studied the I Ching since 1974. A judge has more then 50 complaints against Pinochet for crimes during his government. Pinochet can only be tried if he loses his senatorial immunity. Lagos, the newly-elected President who will begin to govern in March this year, said that he will give the Chilean Laws full autonomy during his government. "Hexagram 3, called Difficulty at the Beginning, is the cast hexagram for the first month of Lagos’ Government related to Pinochet problem. All the troubles will begin in March," said André. The Chinese oracle said also that the right wing politicians that Pinochet led for decades will not support him. "This will not be very clear, but they will show more respect for the institutions and the laws, rather than trying to defend him," said Andre. His allies will be the same as in the past, the army and the retired military officers who committed the same crimes of violating the human rights as him. "Part of Lago’s problem is that he will begin his government with a lot of requests from the Judiciary against Pinochet and must face the resistance of the army against those requests," said Andre. The symbols of the I Ching pointed out that he will know how to face that initial problem. "He will pass through the difficulties, and the blood will not flow," said Andre. The I Ching prognostication for Pinochet health is bad on his return to Chile. "Between March and April he will have a heart crisis, but it can be healed in time," said Andre. The Pinochet hexagram for the moment is Hexagram 23, and represents his health and his unsafe international condition. The hexagram for his life is Hexagram 34, representing his attachment to political power. ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 19:30:57 -0200 From: "Ely Britto" Subject: HEX8: Pinochet and I Ching's prediction Hi Wayne! I think the list is quiet now. Let's see if I am right...... Dear Friends, Today I received a letter from a friend from Chile. I thought it was interesting enough to share it with you. As you know, the British Government arrested and is holding Pinochet. This article was Published by the newspaper *La Republica En La Red* on 23 January, page 27. I will post the translated to English and corrected by Steve Moore. (thanks so much Steve!) I think it will be interesting to see what will really happen. Unfortunately the details of the reading, (the moving lines, and the question) were not given. What do you think about Hexagram 23 as his hexagram for the moment?? Enjoy it! Ely LA REPUBLICA EN LA RED 23/01/00 Santiago, Reuters The dictator Augusto Pinochet will return to Chile, but will never face the laws of Chile and his return will bring a lot of problems to socialist president, Ricardo Lagos. Those are premonitions made by the I Ching, the millennia-old book of China, the same book that said at the end of 1997, when it seemed impossible, that Pinochet would be arrested in London. "When Pinochet returns, he will not be tried and the military forces will follow him," said Ricardo Andre, who became famous as an I Ching reader for predicting the arrest of Pinochet in London. The old dictator has been in jail in London for 15 month now at the request of the Spanish Judge Baltazar Garzon, who is trying to bring him to trial for the crimes he commited against humankind when he was governing Chile, from 1973 to 1990. But the British Government gave permission one week ago for the return of Pinochet, saying that his health is too bad to face the laws in Spain.. In October 1998, when he was arrested, the I Ching said that he would never be tried in Spain. Ricardo Andre gave many interviews to the press assuring them that Pinochet would never be tried in Spain. Now he is repeating the same. "I insist that Pinochet will never be confronted by Chilean law, and will not come back as a senator," said Andre, a journalist who has studied the I Ching since 1974. A judge has more then 50 complaints against Pinochet for crimes during his government. Pinochet can only be tried if he loses his senatorial immunity. Lagos, the newly-elected President who will begin to govern in March this year, said that he will give the Chilean Laws full autonomy during his government. "Hexagram 3, called Difficulty at the Beginning, is the cast hexagram for the first month of Lagos’ Government related to Pinochet problem. All the troubles will begin in March," said André. The Chinese oracle said also that the right wing politicians that Pinochet led for decades will not support him. "This will not be very clear, but they will show more respect for the institutions and the laws, rather than trying to defend him," said Andre. His allies will be the same as in the past, the army and the retired military officers who committed the same crimes of violating the human rights as him. "Part of Lago’s problem is that he will begin his government with a lot of requests from the Judiciary against Pinochet and must face the resistance of the army against those requests," said Andre. The symbols of the I Ching pointed out that he will know how to face that initial problem. "He will pass through the difficulties, and the blood will not flow," said Andre. The I Ching prognostication for Pinochet health is bad on his return to Chile. "Between March and April he will have a heart crisis, but it can be healed in time," said Andre. The Pinochet hexagram for the moment is Hexagram 23, and represents his health and his unsafe international condition. The hexagram for his life is Hexagram 34, representing his attachment to political power. ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 17:50:36 -0500 From: "Dr R. Butler" Subject: HEX8: I Ching & Computers Hi all, Years ago on a PDP-11/70 running Unix I typed "what" and it replied with an I Ching reading that happened to be very appropriate at the moment. After much fun with friends typing on this novel device (at the time), I learned that "what" was linked to "/usr/games/ching" which was a Unix version of the Wilhelm/Baynes version. Great fun! I moved to Hawaii where they had a Harris computer with the Vulcan operating system (which only a Vulcan could love), but no computer version of the I Ching. Later I had access to Vaxes running Unix, and "ching" worked similarly...strikingly acceptable responses. Then the computers were upgraded to Suns running Unix, but "ching" lost its zing. It no longer seemed to be on the mark. I have not used many computer versions of the Yi (nor care to, actually), but my early experiences suggest that the same code running on different machines can have very different results and expressions. Rhett ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 02:48:37 -0800 From: wayne_rebecca Subject: HEX8: calendar Hi, Has anyone seen this? http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=246102170 wayne - -- Wayne & Rebecca Lowry Springfield, Oregon wayne_rebecca@iname.com ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 07:28:06 EST From: SaadEYKI@aol.com Subject: Re: HEX8: calendars & cyclopes «Hi, Has anyone seen this? http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=246102170 wayne» Is this the kind of publicity we must be far on this list or I am wrong, Ron ! Anyway, completly superficial. I am against playing Yi by substitutes of real experience. Still trying to read in short resumes what you can't read in life or Yi and you will live as a cyclope (one eye monster) neither a man or a Bouddha. Good luck anyway to everybody in the new Dragon year starting feb. 5.00 Ezéchiel ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 22:12:21 EST From: Zhouyi64@aol.com Subject: Re: HEX8: calendar <> Yes, I have. It's quite nice. Lorraine http://www.zhouyi.com ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2000 00:45:39 -0700 From: Billy Culver Subject: HEX8: synergetic lattice work continues - updated SilasFlood home page Hello All, I've returned from my hunt of essence long enough to update those of us interested as to the state of my investigations...where I last left you with the enantia.gif at my website showing the new turn into synergetic lattices at the tetragram level..... Well, I'm excited to announce that I have just progressed through the pentagrammic (five-lined) level and the synergetic enantiamorph is even more curious than the tetragrammic level....with clear symmetry and plenty of comparisons with Primal Horizontal alchemical timing context. As ususal, my lack of dependability correspondence-wise won't be changing anytime soon due to the out of town work I'm involved in, away from the computer...but write me with your comments, questions and comparisons anyway...especially examples of natural process that exhibit the same tendencies mapped here...if anything like that becomes apparent to you as you begin "feeling" this structure...Can't promise you an immediate response but I will make an effort to clear up any points in question. My home page has been updated slightly to accomodate this progress but the address is the same as before: Energy As It Flows In The Universe http://www.angelfire.com/nm/videntes/index.html A good primer for the system I have discovered is at: http://www.angelfire.com/nm/videntes/images/enantia.gif Four-Lined Synergetic Enantiamorph - inherent binary patterns that show the interdependency of opposites in energy as it flows in the universe and a basis for its translation as a language of energy: http://www.angelfire.com/nm/videntes/images/translation.gif Five-Lined Synergetic Enantiamorph - inherent binary patterns that show the interdependency of opposites in energy as it flows in the universe showing prenatal and postnatal chi routes alongside eachother: http://www.angelfire.com/nm/videntes/images/pentagrammic.gif Postnatal Chi - inherent binary patterns that show the interdependency of opposites in energy as it flows in the universe. http://www.angelfire.com/nm/videntes/images/postnatalchi.gif Prenatal Chi - inherent binary patterns that show the interdependency of opposites in energy as it flows in the universe. http://www.angelfire.com/nm/videntes/images/prenatalchi.gif Original Six-Lined half-circuit with analog commentary (recently upgraded for finer clarity) : http://www.angelfire.com/nm/videntes/images/LATTICE.gif ~LookFar~....you navigator heart! February 01,2000 SilasFlood@sprintmail.com ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2000 20:11:34 -0600 From: omei shan Subject: Re: HEX8: calendars & cyclopes On Saturday, I am having the "Grand Opening" of my studio. It has been "open" for several years, but I have been holding off until this most auspicious time! Monica ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 20:19:20 -0600 From: "Bernhard Pfennigschmidt" Subject: Re: HEX8: I Ching & Computers Hello Rhett I am using an old HP Basic programmable calculator to cast hexagrams and it works quite well. If I try the same on my desktop, somehow the magic is gone. As older and simpler the computer, as more it is connected to the Yi. Saludos Bernhard http://www.cancun.com/sipp5/ On 29 Jan 00, at 17:50, Dr R. Butler wrote: > Hi all, > > Years ago on a PDP-11/70 running Unix I typed "what" and it replied > with an I Ching reading that happened to be very appropriate at the > moment. After much fun with friends typing on this novel device (at > the time), I learned that "what" was linked to "/usr/games/ching" > which was a Unix version of the Wilhelm/Baynes version. Great fun! > > I moved to Hawaii where they had a Harris computer with the Vulcan > operating system (which only a Vulcan could love), but no computer > version of the I Ching. Later I had access to Vaxes running Unix, and > "ching" worked similarly...strikingly acceptable responses. Then the > computers were upgraded to Suns running Unix, but "ching" lost its > zing. It no longer seemed to be on the mark. > > I have not used many computer versions of the Yi (nor care to, > actually), but my early experiences suggest that the same code running > on different machines can have very different results and expressions. > > Rhett > > > > > ===== > To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to > majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just > the word UNSUBSCRIBE. > ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2000 20:30:55 -0600 From: omei shan Subject: Re: HEX8: synergetic lattice work continues - updated SilasFlood home page Your diagrams were quite interesting - The movements bring to mind a physical representation of the relations stated in the Omei I Ching, especially the transition functions. It is also reminiscent of Jay's ZodiOct, but laid open in two dimensions, while Jay's is coherent, three dimensional. (Comments, Jay?) Have you ever tried assigning the eight trigrams to the corners of a cube, then showing energy flow? If you show energy flowing in a one-two split, the flow is closed - it simply follows the outline of the simple cube. But if you show a one-three split, the flow becomes open! The energy flow forms a four-dimensional, repeating pattern. All this, from just 8 trigrams! I've never been sure what to do with this information, so it's just been sitting in my "little" (500+ page) notebook. About the only thing I've been able to come up with is that it "proves" the stability of even numbers, and the dynamic nature of odd numbers. It was very interesting - How did you derive your information? Monica ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 18:32:16 +0000 From: Ian J Greely Subject: Re: HEX8: I Ching & Computers It's an interesting question. I've written a version to run under java. The version I released automatically generates the throws but the version *I* use simply makes looking up the hexagrams easier. A computer is a tool. You can use it to create the randomness of the "reading" or you can use it as a convenient way to look up the reading that was generated in the normal manner. I think that there is a place for both approaches. The more serious user will use yarrow stalks the more casual will use coins. Other view the book as a system and do not use it as an oracle. A computer program can help in making comparisons between different versions of a text and can also make it easy to keep track of the course of a series of enquiries. If you are comfortable with paper stick with it. The information could just as easily be on the bark of a tree or a sheet of silk... regards, Ian On Thu, 3 Feb 2000 20:19:20 -0600, you wrote: >Hello Rhett > >I am using an old HP Basic programmable calculator to cast >hexagrams and it works quite well. If I try the same on my desktop, >somehow the magic is gone. As older and simpler the computer, >as more it is connected to the Yi. > >Saludos >Bernhard >http://www.cancun.com/sipp5/ > > > >On 29 Jan 00, at 17:50, Dr R. Butler wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> Years ago on a PDP-11/70 running Unix I typed "what" and it replied >> with an I Ching reading that happened to be very appropriate at the >> moment. After much fun with friends typing on this novel device (at >> the time), I learned that "what" was linked to "/usr/games/ching" >> which was a Unix version of the Wilhelm/Baynes version. Great fun! >> >> I moved to Hawaii where they had a Harris computer with the Vulcan >> operating system (which only a Vulcan could love), but no computer >> version of the I Ching. Later I had access to Vaxes running Unix, and >> "ching" worked similarly...strikingly acceptable responses. Then the >> computers were upgraded to Suns running Unix, but "ching" lost its >> zing. It no longer seemed to be on the mark. >> >> I have not used many computer versions of the Yi (nor care to, >> actually), but my early experiences suggest that the same code running >> on different machines can have very different results and expressions. >> >> Rhett >> >> >> >> >> ===== >> To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to >> majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just >> the word UNSUBSCRIBE. >> > > > > >===== >To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org >from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 21:38:02 -0500 From: "Dr R. Butler" Subject: Re: HEX8: I Ching & Computers Verrry interesting. I wonder why this is the case? Rhett >Hello Rhett > >I am using an old HP Basic programmable calculator to cast >hexagrams and it works quite well. If I try the same on my desktop, >somehow the magic is gone. As older and simpler the computer, >as more it is connected to the Yi. > >Saludos >Bernhard >http://www.cancun.com/sipp5/ > > > >On 29 Jan 00, at 17:50, Dr R. Butler wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> Years ago on a PDP-11/70 running Unix I typed "what" and it replied >> with an I Ching reading that happened to be very appropriate at the >> moment. After much fun with friends typing on this novel device (at >> the time), I learned that "what" was linked to "/usr/games/ching" >> which was a Unix version of the Wilhelm/Baynes version. Great fun! >> >> I moved to Hawaii where they had a Harris computer with the Vulcan >> operating system (which only a Vulcan could love), but no computer >> version of the I Ching. Later I had access to Vaxes running Unix, and >> "ching" worked similarly...strikingly acceptable responses. Then the >> computers were upgraded to Suns running Unix, but "ching" lost its >> zing. It no longer seemed to be on the mark. >> >> I have not used many computer versions of the Yi (nor care to, >> actually), but my early experiences suggest that the same code running >> on different machines can have very different results and expressions. >> >> Rhett >> >> >> >> >> ===== >> To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to >> majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just >> the word UNSUBSCRIBE. >> > > > > >===== >To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org >from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 05:52:18 -0700 From: Billy Culver Subject: HEX8: Synergetic Fractal Scaling Chain of Being Whew! ...just finished another burgeoning realization on graphics. Enjoy! Synergetic Fractal Scaling Chain of Being that derives context through the theory of Dissipative Structure http://www.angelfire.com/nm/videntes/images/fractalseed.gif This one will answer a few questions but create more. ...combine ir with the interpretive scheme at http://www.angelfire.com/nm/videntes/images/translation.gif and... http://www.angelfire.com/nm/videntes/images/enantia.gif and you have an apparent methodology of choices mapped. SilasFlood 2/06/00 ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 09:56:02 -0500 From: "Dr R. Butler" Subject: HEX8: Small Seal A question for anyone with a knowledge of chinese fonts... Does anyone know where one can get a "small seal" font? The small seal characters are more-rounded forms, dating from the Qin dynasty (circa 200 BC) which pre-date the current, angular chinese characters. The Mawangdui text of the I Ching is written with these characters. Thanks, Rhett ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 17:31:03 EST From: RCol547987@aol.com Subject: Re: HEX8: Silk Route I would like to know if anyone here has any information in regards to the oral transmission of knowledge via the Silk Route PRIOR to Zhang Qian's travels (139 BCE.) Although I am particularly interested in the similarities of the yin/yang-type of dialectic shared by both Chinese and Greek philosophers during the timespan of 600 BCE to 500 BCE, I would also be interested in hearing about other possible contacts -- (someone here said earlier that the Egyptian Geb and Fu Xi may be one and the same person, for instance.) If Fu Xi was a real flesh and blood person who supposedly lived in the Tienshui region of China (just off the Silk Route) do you think it was possible for him to traverse the hazardous terrain that might have ended at the Mediterrian Ocean? If not Fu Xi, can a strong case be built in favor of the Yang Shao (and/or other local tribes) trading with cultures to its west? Nearly one hundred mumified human remains have be dug from the sands of the Taklimakan desert -- some cabon-dated to pre-2000 BCE (bearing Indo-Europen features -- one whose face was painted with Indo-Iranian sunray symbol ) but so far no concrete links from the scientific community. Also is it possible that an even more ancient Silk Route existed, along which culural exchanges were made but then, over time, was erased by the constantly shifting desert sands? I would like to hear from anyone with ideas or information about these possibilities. In peace, Roy ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 21:06:01 -0600 From: Ken Rose Subject: Re: HEX8: Silk Route Roy, Like you, I am very interested in the question of early exchanges between the Mediterranean and Chinese worlds. I don't know if I can help much in the quest for sources. I do recall a Chinese TV broadcast back in the fall of 97 that had to do with the discovery of a building that bore strong resemblance to ancient Greek architecture. This was unearthed in Xin Jiang in China's northwest desert. There is also an archaeological site in Sichuan about 30-40 kilometers from Chengdu known as San Xing Dui or Three Star Tomb. The civilization that flourished there evidently vanished with little trace around 3,000 BCE. The likenesses found bear little resemblance to the current inhabitants of the region and have a distinctly Mediterranean flavor. I remember hearing at the time that an exhibition of artifacts from this site would start travelling this year. I believe it was first bound for Seattle, Washington in the US. I'll be interested in seeing what resources get turned up here for further study. Ken RCol547987@aol.com wrote: > I would like to know if anyone here has any information in regards to the oral > transmission of knowledge via the Silk Route PRIOR to Zhang Qian's travels > (139 > BCE.) Although I am particularly interested in the similarities of the > yin/yang-type of dialectic shared by both Chinese and Greek philosophers > during the timespan of 600 BCE to 500 BCE, I would also be interested in > hearing about other possible > contacts -- (someone here said earlier that the Egyptian Geb and Fu Xi may be > one and the same person, for instance.) > > If Fu Xi was a real flesh and blood person who supposedly lived in the > Tienshui > region of China (just off the Silk Route) do you think it was possible for him > to traverse the hazardous terrain that might have ended at the Mediterrian > Ocean? If not Fu Xi, can a strong case be built in favor of the Yang Shao > (and/or other local tribes) trading with cultures to its west? Nearly one > hundred > mumified human remains have be dug from the sands of the Taklimakan desert -- > some cabon-dated to pre-2000 BCE (bearing Indo-Europen features -- one whose > face was painted with Indo-Iranian sunray symbol ) but so far no concrete > links > from the scientific community. > > Also is it possible that an even more ancient Silk Route existed, along which > culural exchanges were made but then, over time, was erased by the constantly > shifting desert sands? I would like to hear from anyone with ideas or > information > about these possibilities. > > In peace, Roy > > ===== > To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org > from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 21:34:46 EST From: RCol547987@aol.com Subject: Re: HEX8: Silk Route Thanks Ken. Hopefully more feedback will come in as well. My colleague in Hong Kong said that he came across some references about this topic while doing research on his Chinese Archery book. He said there was most definately a primitive Silk Route but did not elaborate. I will write him this week. I was wondering if you were familiar with a book that someone recently told me about: Zhang Yun et al: 1996. Silu Wenhua (The Culture of the Silk Road), Zhehiang. I'm not sure if I have the date correct and my Chinese is too primitive for reading purposes. If you happen to come across it and find anything of interest please let me know. There was an interesting article about Xinjiang and the Silk Route in the March 1996 National Geographic that hinted at cross-cultural links but nothing substantive. In peace, Roy ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. ------------------------------ End of hexagram-8-digest V1 #157 ********************************