From owner-hexagram-8-digest@apocalypse.org Fri Aug 3 13:58:29 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by apocalypse.org (8.11.2/8.11.0) id f73HwTR17415 for hexagram-8-digest-outgoing; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 13:58:29 -0400 Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 13:58:29 -0400 Message-Id: <200108031758.f73HwTR17415@apocalypse.org> X-Authentication-Warning: apocalypse.org: majordom set sender to owner-hexagram-8-digest@apocalypse.org using -f From: owner-hexagram-8-digest@apocalypse.org (hexagram-8-digest) To: hexagram-8-digest@apocalypse.org Subject: hexagram-8-digest V1 #201 Reply-To: hexagram-8@apocalypse.org Sender: owner-hexagram-8-digest@apocalypse.org Errors-To: owner-hexagram-8-digest@apocalypse.org Precedence: bulk hexagram-8-digest Friday, August 3 2001 Volume 01 : Number 201 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 20:36:39 +0200 From: "LiSe" Subject: HEX8: Hexagram July 14-15 July 14 until 09:20 GMT see 'Hexagram July 13 -14 >From 09:20 rest of the day, until July 15, 10:30 GMT: Hex.55.2 A total eclipse. At midday one sees the Dipper. To proceed brings doubt and illness. If one is true, one gathers expansion. (Circumstances can be totally frustrating. So imagine your life, according to what you truly are or want. Some write their life in concrete, others in their mind, it does not matter how you write it - just do it, and come out with it) Sabian Symbol: Meeting of a literary society (People are inclined to imitate what others do. So it is important that values are shown, discussed, explained. Warning for evil things does some good, showing good things makes humanity move to a higher plane) ° Changing to 34.2 Determination auspicious. (If one has power inside, one has no need of proving it. Having power is not a matter of exerting it, but of being it. The strength to make your mind true and happy in all circumstances is a greater power than having power over someone or something else) Sabian Symbol: A man suspended over a vast level place (Not choosing a stand or a limited space is power without limits) (Time is given for Greenwich main time. For USA subtract appr. 6 hours (11 AM will be 5 AM), for China add appr. 8 hours, for Australia add appr. 9 hours (the difference between your local clock-time and GMT). Given times are NOT exact, they may err some in either direction. I do not know if the most important hexagram for the day is the one of midnight, or the one of sunrise, or two hexagrams: before and after the given time) LiSe YiJing, Book of the Moon www.aheyboer.com Nothing bad - nothing good Find your original face NOW ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 19:50:05 +0100 From: Ian J Greely Subject: Re: HEX8: Hexagram July 14-15 I want to say a hearty thanks for these daily oracles. A nice touch. regards, Ian ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 19:54:18 +0200 From: "LiSe" Subject: HEX8: Hexagram July 15-16 - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian J Greely" To: Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2001 8:50 PM Subject: Re: HEX8: Hexagram July 14-15 > I want to say a hearty thanks for these daily oracles. > > A nice touch. > > regards, > Ian Thanks! LiSe July 15 until 10:30 GMT see 'Hexagram July 14-15 >From 10:30 rest of the day, until July 16, 11:40 GMT: Hex.56.2 The wanderer comes to a resting-place, cherishes his belongings and acquires a boy-servant. Determination. (Satisfaction with one's life makes a resting place to a place of rest. To be happy with everything, not longing for more, different or better is the key to feeling at home. One does not 'find' a home, one makes a place to a home) Sabian Symbol: A woman and two men on a bit of sunlit land facing south (With jealousy: war. Without: paradise) ° Changing to 50.2 The cauldron is richly filled. My companions are struck by disease. It cannot reach me. Auspicious. (Who has inner strength cannot be infected, who has a rich mind - or sees his life a rich - knows no envy, a healthy plant has no lice. Life supports life, it makes itself survive) Sabian Symbol: A hen scratching for her chicks (Eternal life is not life without an end, it is living on in new lives) (Time is given for Greenwich main time. For USA subtract appr. 6 hours (11 AM will be 5 AM), for China add appr. 8 hours, for Australia add appr. 9 hours (the difference between your local clock-time and GMT). Given times are NOT exact, they may err some in either direction. I do not know if the most important hexagram for the day is the one of midnight, or the one of sunrise, or two hexagrams: before and after the given time) LiSe Yi Jing, Book of the Moon www.anton-heyboer.org postmaster@aheyboer.com ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 13:13:51 +0200 From: "LiSe" Subject: HEX8: Hexagram July 16-17 July 16 until 11:40 GMT see 'Hexagram July 15-16 >From 11:40 rest of the day, until July 17, 12:50 GMT: 57.2 Seal assignment below the stand. Use numerous chroniclers and shamans. Auspicious. No fault. (Often, and especially in contacts, one cannot decide beforehand what is good and what not. One has to listen to one's intuition at the moment itself. Listen with great care! It is extremely important not to get involved with bad forces or to get influenced into making wrong decisions) Sabian Symbol: A dark shadow or mantle thrown suddenly over the right shoulder (One feels always a warning when evil comes near) ° Changing to 53.2 The wild goose gradually approaches the huge rock. Eat and drink full of joy. Auspicious. (It's the small things together that make a relation strong and lasting. When meals are moments of peace and togetherness, when expressions talk of joy and love, when voices sound harmonious, then the relation will last a lifetime. Not words are important, but the feelings they bear) Sabian Symbol: A primadonna singing (It is not the voice, it is the heart) (Time is given for Greenwich main time. For USA subtract appr. 6 hours (11 AM will be 5 AM), for China add appr. 8 hours, for Australia add appr. 9 hours (the difference between your local clock-time and GMT). Given times are NOT exact, they may err some in either direction. I do not know if the most important hexagram for the day is the one of midnight, or the one of sunrise, or two hexagrams: before and after the given time) LiSe Yi Jing, Book of the Moon www.anton-heyboer.org postmaster@aheyboer.com ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 08:07:30 EDT From: Frankelmick@aol.com Subject: HEX8: Website for beginner Can anyone recommend a website that gives a good introduction to the I Ching ? A colleague of mine is a martial artist who's shown me a Kung Fu book where Yin/Yang is interpreted as meaning attack/defend. (I can explain a bit more if anyone's interested.) He'd like to learn about the I Ching. Any thoughts ? Thanks. Every best wish, Mick ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 13:21:23 +0200 From: "LiSe" Subject: HEX8: Hexagram July 17-18 July 17 until 12:50 GMT see 'Hexagram July 16-17 >From 12:50 rest of the day, until July 18, 14:00 GMT: Hex.58.2 True exchange, auspicious. Repentance goes away. (Deep and relaxed exchange makes all heaviness go away. Talking or even only feeling the others presence puts everything in perspective. A shared heavy heart weighs only half as much, a shared happy one is twice as happy) Sabian Symbol: Contentment and happiness in luxury, people reading on Davenports (Shared relaxing is quadruple relaxing) ° Changing to 17.2 Related to the small child, losing the big man. (One can fulfill one life. As long as the small is possible, the big cannot be found. So live the small. To follow higher aims is not a question of ability, but of impossibility to follow anything else. Another meaning of this line: follow like a child, and follow what is innocent in the other. This is the most complete following ever) Sabian Symbol: Two Dutch children talking (Same interests is great - or small? Depends) (Time is given for Greenwich main time. For USA subtract appr. 6 hours (11 AM will be 5 AM), for China add appr. 8 hours, for Australia add appr. 9 hours (the difference between your local clock-time and GMT). Given times are NOT exact, they may err some in either direction. I do not know if the most important hexagram for the day is the one of midnight, or the one of sunrise, or two hexagrams: before and after the given time) LiSe Yi Jing, Book of the Moon www.anton-heyboer.org postmaster@aheyboer.com ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 19:16:33 +0200 From: "LiSe" Subject: HEX8: Hexagram July 18-19 July 18 until 14:00 GMT see 'Hexagram July 17-18 >From 14:00 rest of the day, until July 19, 15:05 GMT: Hex.59.2 To disperse and grasp one's chance make an end to regret. (One can immediately recognize and grasp chances if the mind is versatile, open for anything. One sees what one expects to see, so expect everything in order not to miss anything) Sabian Symbol: A storm in a canyon (Grasp anything you can hold on to) ° Changing to 20.2 Contemplation with a narrow view. Harvest: woman's determination. (If you can see only a small part of something, then stay nimble and open. Creativity can do a lot with few possibilities, if one refrains from a predetermined course, always ready to answer to the moment) Sabian Symbol: Two Chinese men talking Chinese. (Only Chinese - or all this great Chinese) (Time is given for Greenwich main time. For USA subtract appr. 6 hours (11 AM will be 5 AM), for China add appr. 8 hours, for Australia add appr. 9 hours (the difference between your local clock-time and GMT). Given times are NOT exact, they may err some in either direction. I do not know if the most important hexagram for the day is the one of midnight, or the one of sunrise, or two hexagrams: before and after the given time) LiSe Yi Jing, Book of the Moon www.anton-heyboer.org postmaster@aheyboer.com ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 19:33:29 +0200 From: "LiSe" Subject: HEX8: Re: Website for beginner I don't know if it is 'done' to recommend my own website, and I have no idea if this is what he is looking for. I like it - would be weird if I didn't - but it is not THE I Ching. It is all my personal ideas. The best thing I ever saw is an I Ching software, made by Marc Griggs-Smith. You can download a restricted version at http://sundialler.com/yi_jing/index.html Complete it is 30 UK pounds. But I don't think that is what he wants. Good is Dan Stackhouse http://users.lanminds.com/tlc/iching/ but he gives only the hexagrams and not the lines. A great site if you want to know meanings of characters: www.ns.net/~cpolish/DEFAULT.HTM The whole (almost..) Yi Jing. Click on any character and you get its meaning and occurrences. Makoto Ogino: http://member.nifty.ne.jp/index_Z/index.htm It is about the I Ching in Japan, but you find here a lot of wonderful information about the I Ching and many many other related systems. Extremely good and extensive. No I Ching, but a lot of information. A beautiful site about I Ching with the possibility to get a (high quality) reading: www.onlineclarity.co.uk There is a 'friends forum' where one can read many questions with answers (most about love, seems to be the hottest topic in most people's life) Same author: readings of all hexagrams. Interesting to see how others explain their cast. Add yours! www.ichingresources.co.uk LiSe Yi Jing, Book of the Moon www.anton-heyboer.org postmaster@aheyboer.com - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, July 16, 2001 2:07 PM Subject: HEX8: Website for beginner > Can anyone recommend a website that gives a good introduction to the I Ching ? > > A colleague of mine is a martial artist who's shown me a Kung Fu book where Yin/Yang is interpreted as meaning attack/defend. (I can explain a bit more if anyone's interested.) He'd like to learn about the I Ching. Any thoughts ? > > Thanks. > > Every best wish, > > Mick > > > ===== > To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org > from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 08:04:08 +0200 From: "LiSe" Subject: HEX8: Re: Website for beginner-hex.29 For a martial artist, hexagram 29! The tag of hex.29 is not 'pit' but 'repeated pit'. This is important, repeating is Xi, and this character is a picture of the beating of wings. Something done again and again. Its meanings are practice, routine, skill, rehearsing, habit, teaching by repeating. So the name can be repeated danger, but also getting used to danger, or reversed: the danger of routine. The text accompanying hex.29 on my website: "To get out of dangers or misery is not by solving problems. It is by leaving the fear. In the arts of fighting one learns to get used to danger, so it does not call up fear anymore, and defense can come entirely out of one's skill. No fear interfering. Then one can be like water, adapting, fitting into any form. Water in a cup acquires the form of the cup, in a lake the form of the lake. It is smooth and flowing - and can be terribly crushing. Deep inside one has a stable, quiet and safe core, but in the course of life, most people forget about it. Just remember and no danger can afflict you. Visit the dark secret depths of your heart and bring the wisdom of your soul back to life. Water is the primeval chaos, the great mother of everything, without form or limit, eternal. It is a gift of the gods, and to go to its source is to return to holiness". LiSe Yi Jing, Book of the Moon www.anton-heyboer.org postmaster@aheyboer.com - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, July 16, 2001 2:07 PM Subject: HEX8: Website for beginner > Can anyone recommend a website that gives a good introduction to the I Ching ? > > A colleague of mine is a martial artist who's shown me a Kung Fu book where Yin/Yang is interpreted as meaning attack/defend. (I can explain a bit more if anyone's interested.) He'd like to learn about the I Ching. Any thoughts ? > > Thanks. > > Every best wish, > > Mick > > > ===== > To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org > from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 06:34:43 EDT From: Frankelmick@aol.com Subject: Re: HEX8: Re: Website for beginner-hex.29 LiSe, Wonderful stuff ! Thanks very much for this and for the website links. (I think it's fine to recommend your own site). I get a martial arts type feeling from hx 57 as well. The same sense of adapting, filling any space but being able to strike with irresistible power. Thanks again, Mick ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 08:41:04 -0400 From: Lare/Mo Lei-Li Subject: Re: HEX8: Re: Website for beginner-hex.29 LiSe wrote: > "To get out of dangers or misery is not by solving problems. It is by > leaving the fear. Thanks for this reminder, LiSe. (And for the simplified exposition) - -Mo Lei-Li ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 20:24:32 +0200 From: "LiSe" Subject: HEX8: Hexagram July 19-20 July 19 until 15:05 GMT see 'Hexagram July 18-19 >From 15:05 rest of the day, until July 20, 16:15 GMT: Hex.60.2 Not coming out of gate and court, pitfall. (You have your own rhythm and pitch, but if you never play with others you may find yourself off-tune and not able to join in with songs anymore. Do not take habits and opinions (yours or theirs) for granted, but make yourself and others always stay open for the different and new) Sabian Symbol: A modern Pocahontas (Saving an enemy might prove to be saving a friend) ° Changing to 3.2 Then sprouting, then proceeding with difficulty, then driving a team of horses. No bandit: a marital suitor. Girls determination: no babies. Ten years, then babies. (Don't just be a reaction on what comes up to you: running when all seems easy, and frustrated by the first obstacle. Things cannot be accomplished just like that, they need time and thought. So don't rush, but don't let anything stop you either) Sabian Symbol: glass-bottomed boat in still water. (If you can be very quiet and clear, you can see everything as it is) (Time is given for Greenwich main time. For USA subtract appr. 6 hours (11 AM will be 5 AM), for China add appr. 8 hours, for Australia add appr. 9 hours (the difference between your local clock-time and GMT). Given times are NOT exact, they may err some in either direction. I do not know if the most important hexagram for the day is the one of midnight, or the one of sunrise, or two hexagrams: before and after the given time) LiSe Yi Jing, Book of the Moon www.anton-heyboer.org postmaster@aheyboer.com ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 14:04:21 +0200 From: "LiSe" Subject: HEX8: Hexagram July 20-21 July 20 until 16:15 GMT see 'Hexagram July 18-19 >From 16:15 rest of the day, until July 21, 17:25 GMT: Hex.61.2 A crane calling on the shady Northern slope. Its young joins in singing. I have a good wine-cup, I will empty it together with you. (The roots of every interaction are deep inside. If your words and actions are a true mirror of what lives in your heart, they will be creative and able to stir up a reaction in others. The greatness of an artist is in the first place determined by his faithfulness to his truth, and only secondly by his talent. Talent without truth makes kitsch.) Sabian Symbol: A Muse weighing twins (Art comes into being when heart and actions, left and right, are identical.) ° Changing to 42.2 Someone's increase. Ten pairs of tortoise shells cannot oppose it. A long range determination is auspicious. The king presents an offering to the Supreme Being. Auspicious. (Gods are an 'outside' which is deep inside, the inner spark, the Golden Flower, the gem, whatever. This inner spark is the reason for being augmented, no augury will ever contradict it. Other people or fate will cooperate too.) Sabian Symbol: A large diamond not completely carved (The cutter can judge and see the result before anything is visible.) (Time is given for Greenwich main time. For USA subtract appr. 6 hours (11 AM will be 5 AM), for China add appr. 8 hours, for Australia add appr. 9 hours (the difference between your local clock-time and GMT). Given times are NOT exact, they may err some in either direction. I do not know if the most important hexagram for the day is the one of midnight, or the one of sunrise, or two hexagrams: before and after the given time) LiSe Yi Jing, Book of the Moon www.anton-heyboer.org postmaster@aheyboer.com ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 21:17:50 +0200 From: "LiSe" Subject: HEX8: Hexagram July 21-22 July 21 until 17:25 GMT see 'Hexagram July 21 >From 17:25 rest of the day, until July 22, 18:30 GMT: Hex.62.2 Passing by one's grandfather. Meeting one's grandmother. Not reaching to one's chief. Meeting his servant. Without fault. (The farmer prefers the chicken over the pheasant, because the profit it gives is certain. The chicken prefers the farmers wife, because she scatters the grain. Higher is seldom better.) Sabian Symbol: A Daughter of the American Revolution (Not eager for another revolution when life is good) ° Changing to 32.2 Regrets disappear. (When one is master over one's passions, one can find in life many opportunities or blessings, love or contacts, which are denied to those in whom they conjure up greed or lust. Beauty is a thing to enjoy, not to grab.) Sabian Symbol: Bathing beauties (A decent way of showing or seeing a lot) (Time is given for Greenwich main time. For USA subtract appr. 6 hours (11 AM will be 5 AM), for China add appr. 8 hours, for Australia add appr. 9 hours (the difference between your local clock-time and GMT). Given times are NOT exact, they may err some in either direction. I do not know if the most important hexagram for the day is the one of midnight, or the one of sunrise, or two hexagrams: before and after the given time) LiSe Yi Jing, Book of the Moon www.anton-heyboer.org postmaster@aheyboer.com ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 15:51:38 +0200 From: "LiSe" Subject: HEX8: Hexagram July 22-23 July 22 until 18:30 GMT Hexagram 62.2 (see mail July 21-22) >From 18:30 rest of the day, until July 23, 19:40 GMT: Hex. 3.3 Approaching the deer without precaution, it only enters deep into the forest. The noble man feels the signs, so stops. To proceed brings distress. (Who charges at things without thinking will put them to flight. A lot of fuss only makes the goal recede. Careful, step by step and with diplomacy, that way one accomplishes most.) Sabian Symbol: A case of apoplexy. (Blood is not made to boil) ° Changing to 63.3 The high ancestor subjugates the Gui region. In 3 years he conquers it. Small people are of no use. (Conquering and subsequently keeping things can only succeed with patience, tenacity, perseverance, purposive-ness. In other words: with a strong character. One moment of inattention or weakness and all may be lost.) (this hexagram has no Sabian Symbols) (Time is given for Greenwich main time. For USA subtract appr. 6 hours (11 AM will be 5 AM), for China add appr. 8 hours, for Australia add appr. 9 hours (the difference between your local clock-time and GMT). Given times are NOT exact, they may err some in either direction. I do not know if the most important hexagram for the day is the one of midnight, or the one of sunrise, or two hexagrams: before and after the given time) LiSe Yi Jing, Book of the Moon www.anton-heyboer.org postmaster@aheyboer.com ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 19:19:49 +0200 From: "LiSe" Subject: HEX8: Hexagram July 23-24-25 July 23 until 19:40 GMT Hexagram 3 line3 (see mail July 22-23) >From 19:40 rest of the day, until July 24, 20:30 GMT: Hex.4.3 No benefit of taking a woman who, when she sees a rich man, loses control of herself. No ground for harvest. (Imitating slavishly or running after urges causes loss of one's own character and dignity. In your own eyes as well as in other's eyes.) Sabian Symbol: An epidemic of mumps (Getting infected means losing one's face.) ° Changing to 18.3 Ramming against the father's decay. There is some regret. Without big fault. (Fighting decay and weakness will only succeed if one exaggerates a bit. Straightening something bent needs a little bending in the other direction.) Sabian Symbol: Sunshine just after a storm (Never seen a brighter world) July 24 until 20:30 GMT Hexagram 3 line3 (see above) >From 20:30 rest of the day, until July 25, 21:50 GMT: Hex.5.3 Waiting in the mud. It will attract bandits. (Feelings have a tendency to fall asleep when they have to wait. Sometimes an impulsive, maybe foolish, act is better than becoming dull. Dullness can cause much greater disaster than an occasional foolishness.) Sabian Symbol: A woman having her hair bobbed. (Off is off, so be happy with it.) ° Changing to 60.3 Not gathering restraint, the consequence is gathering laments. No fault. (If one's nature is not to restrain oneself, one gets into trouble. Don't lament it too much: it is part of what you are. If you accept yourself, then accept the trouble too.) Sabian Symbol: A baldheaded man (The old folks said: too much sex. Science says: too much male hormones.) (Time is given for Greenwich main time. For USA subtract appr. 6 hours (11 AM will be 5 AM), for China add appr. 8 hours, for Australia add appr. 9 hours (the difference between your local clock-time and GMT). Given times are NOT exact, they may err some in either direction. I do not know if the most important hexagram for the day is the one of midnight, or the one of sunrise, or two hexagrams: before and after the given time) LiSe YiJing, Book of the Moon www.aheyboer.com Nothing bad - nothing good Find your original face NOW ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 19:16:08 +0200 From: "LiSe" Subject: HEX8: Hexagram July 25-26 July 25 until 21:50 GMT Hexagram 5 line3 (see above) >From 21:50 rest of the day, until July 26, 23:00 GMT: Hex.6.3 To feed on ancient virtue. Determination: danger. In the end: auspicious. If following king's affairs: without accomplishment. (Having earned one's merit is great, but don't make a habit of relying on it. It may help you get an official job, but not achievement. For achieving one has to renew and prove one's value day after day. Even so when one's merits are officially approved already.) Sabian Symbol: A man formally dressed and a deer with its horns folded (Wait till you see them in the weekend, climbing mountains.) [for this one I will have to find a better comment] ° Changing to 44.3 The buttocks without skin. Might be the journey had an inferior start. Danger. Without great fault. (The heart enters everything new too impulsive. But the heart can also notice immediately if anything feels wrong: listen to it. If you change right in the beginning, it is still possible to make a new start and make your voyage or enterprise a prosperous one. And: For making a heir one has to take off all make-believe and stand naked. If you really want to accomplish something together, then show yourself with all your good and bad assets. That way your start will lack decorum, but it will be healthy.) Sabian Symbol: A bride with her veil snatched away (They say it is a bad omen. For Lea maybe? Not for Jacob.) (Time is given for Greenwich main time. For USA subtract appr. 6 hours (11 AM will be 5 AM), for China add appr. 8 hours, for Australia add appr. 9 hours (the difference between your local clock-time and GMT). Given times are NOT exact, they may err some in either direction. I do not know if the most important hexagram for the day is the one of midnight, or the one of sunrise, or two hexagrams: before and after the given time) LiSe YiJing, Book of the Moon www.aheyboer.com Nothing bad - nothing good Find your original face NOW ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 19:35:04 +0200 From: "LiSe" Subject: HEX8: Hexagram July 27-28 July 27 Whole day until 0:10 GMT July 28 Hexagram 7 line3 After July 28 0:10 GMT: Hex.8.3 Standing by bad people. (Be severe in what you accept and what not. One rotten apple can spoil a whole basket, so throw it out. If that is not possible, then leave yourself. You have just one life, don't waste it.) Sabian Symbol: An old-fashioned woman and a flapper (Both okay but wrong combination) ° Changing to 39.3 To proceed: limping. To come: reversing. (When your life does not feel good, then turn inward and examine your true feelings. Do you live what agrees with you? Do you have the feelings you want to have, find the meaning in life you seek? Be severe and discard everything you do not want, and go to everything you need. If you are not severe, you will waste a lot of time, maybe even a lifetime.) Sabian Symbol: A harem (Where life is good and complete, no locked doors are needed) (Time is given for Greenwich main time. For USA subtract appr. 6 hours (11 AM will be 5 AM), for China add appr. 8 hours, for Australia add appr. 9 hours (the difference between your local clock-time and GMT). Given times are NOT exact, they may err some in either direction. I do not know if the most important hexagram for the day is the one of midnight, or the one of sunrise, or two hexagrams: before and after the given time) LiSe Yi Jing, Book of the Moon www.anton-heyboer.org postmaster@aheyboer.com ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 20:40:43 +0200 From: "LiSe" Subject: HEX8: Hexagram July 29-30 July 29 1:10 GMT until July 30 02.20 GMT: Hex.9 line 3 July 30 02.20 GMT until July 31 03.20 GMT: Hex.10.3 Squinting, able to observe. Limping, able to walk. Tailing the tiger, he bites man, pitfall. A soldier acting like a great chief. (As long as one acts within one's abilities, no tiger will bite. A small thing done in a great way is great, a great thing done in a small way is small.) Sabian Symbol: A Bolshevik propagandist (Improving your own culture is hard, but swapping it for another one is no solution) ° Changing to 1.3 A noble man is the whole day creative. In the evening he is alert like in danger. Without fault. (Go ahead if Tao goes ahead, turn back if Tao turns back. Stay in tune with the universe, nobody can ever go another way than Tao and still keep his strength and good fortune.) (Time is given for Greenwich Main Time. For USA subtract appr. 6 hours (11 AM will be 5 AM), for China add appr. 8 hours, for Australia add appr. 9 hours (the difference between your local clock-time and GMT). Given times are NOT exact, they may err some in either direction. I do not know if the most important hexagram for the day is the one of midnight, or the one of sunrise, or two hexagrams: before and after the given time) LiSe Yi Jing, Book of the Moon www.anton-heyboer.org postmaster@aheyboer.com ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 20:28:39 +0200 From: "LiSe" Subject: HEX8: Hexagram July 30-31 July 29 July 30 02.20 GMT until July 31 03.20 GMT: hex.10, line 3 July 31 03.20 GMT until August 1 04.30 GMT: Hex.11.3 Without level places no slopes. Without going no returning. In hard conditions determination: no fault. Do not worry over the inevitable. Sustenance brings blessing. (Good fortune is fragile, nothing is certain, everything contains also its opposite. Accept it and make life proceed in all circumstances. To stay alive is a blessing, all the rest is an extra.) Sabian Symbol: Glass blowers. (Melt what breaks and blow it again) ° Changing to 19.3 Sweet nearing. Probing brings no harvest. Already sad about it, without fault. (Sentiments are useless. Give your feelings only to essential and valuable things or people. Forget status, it is the inner worth that counts.) Sabian Symbol: A nonvested church choir (The tailor makes the man - but not his song) (Time is given for Greenwich Main Time. For USA subtract appr. 6 hours (11 AM will be 5 AM), for China add appr. 8 hours, for Australia add appr. 9 hours (the difference between your local clock-time and GMT). Given times are NOT exact, they may err some in either direction. I do not know if the most important hexagram for the day is the one of midnight, or the one of sunrise, or two hexagrams: before and after the given time) LiSe Yi Jing, Book of the Moon www.anton-heyboer.org postmaster@aheyboer.com ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 20:23:48 +0200 From: "LiSe" Subject: HEX8: Hexagram July 31- August 1 July 31 03.20 GMT until August 1 04.14 GMT: hex.11, line 3 August 1 04.14 GMT until August 2 05.17 GMT : Hex.12.3 Holding a sheep offering in expiation for a wrong. (The largest obstruction is inside, from out one's conscience. So make it free by expiation, towards people and towards the gods (or your heart and mind). Cleanse yourself and shine again. ) Sabian Symbol: Early morning dew (A new day after the tears of the night) ° Changing to 33.3 Attached retreat. There is disease and danger. To keep male and female slaves is auspicious. (One can only retreat if one feels free and strong. One retreats to one's own value. So untie yourself from everything which pulls you down and make yourself the highest point of your life. With pride and grandeur.) Sabian Symbol: A man's head (I am the greatest) (Time is given for Greenwich Main Time. For USA subtract appr. 6 hours (11 AM will be 5 AM), for China add appr. 8 hours, for Australia add appr. 9 hours (the difference between your local clock-time and GMT). Given times are NOT exact, they may err some in either direction. I do not know if the most important hexagram for the day is the one of midnight, or the one of sunrise, or two hexagrams: before and after the given time) LiSe Yi Jing, Book of the Moon www.anton-heyboer.org postmaster@aheyboer.com ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 20:34:23 +0200 From: "LiSe" Subject: HEX8: Hexagram August 1-2 August 1 04.14 GMT until August 2 05.17 GMT Hex.12.3 August 2 05.17 GMT until August 3 06.19 GMT : Hex.13.3 Hiding away arms in the thickets. Ascending a high mound. Three years not rising (up again). (With human rules life becomes extremely complicated. Never knowing when one can rely on them, one has to develop suspicion and fear. Put your trust in universal rules, they will support and protect you. It is the only base for a loving, trusting and playful life with others. ) Sabian Symbol: Children on a swing in a huge oak tree (You have a place in the overall scheme of things) ° Changing to 25.3 The disaster of innocence. Someone binds his cow, road-people's gain, town people's disaster. (Who relies too much on rules and laws reckons too little with the unexpected. Rules are man-made, nature often does not heed them. The one with a free mind, looking after himself and able to assess risks, is seldom struck by mishap. But often pleasantly surprised by a slice of good luck. ) Sabian Symbol: A bareback rider (Some learn to ride on a horse, others learn to ride on a saddle) (Time is given for Greenwich Main Time. For USA subtract appr. 6 hours (11 AM will be 5 AM), for China add appr. 8 hours, for Australia add appr. 9 hours (the difference between your local clock-time and GMT). Given times are NOT exact, they may err some in either direction. I do not know if the most important hexagram for the day is the one of midnight, or the one of sunrise, or two hexagrams: before and after the given time) LiSe Yi Jing, Book of the Moon www.anton-heyboer.org postmaster@aheyboer.com ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 21:20:57 +0200 From: "LiSe" Subject: HEX8: Hexagram August 2-3 August 2 05.17 GMT until August 3 06.19 GMT Hex.13.3 August 3 06.19 GMT until August 4 07.22 GMT: Hex.14.3 A Gong sacrifices to the Son of Heaven. Small people are not able to. (Give in a way that accords with your ability to give. Too much and too little are both wrong. But make your gift warm and sincere, don't use it for showing how great you are yourself. ) Sabian Symbol: An evening lawn party (One gives a party for all, one makes a show for oneself.) ° Changing to 38.3 Seeing the cart dragged, one's oxen pulled, one's people with bent head and cut off nose. Without a beginning, there is an end. (All people are different. One can make an issue of it, a straight discussion, and in the end someone will be injured. One can make a light-hearted repartee and it will be a mutual pleasure. The same starting point, but the outcome depends on the road one chooses, the one of wanting to be right, or the other one of exchange. ) Sabian Symbol: A merry-go-round (More fun on roads without goals) (Time is given for Greenwich Main Time. For USA subtract appr. 6 hours (11 AM will be 5 AM), for China add appr. 8 hours, for Australia add appr. 9 hours (the difference between your local clock-time and GMT). Given times are NOT exact, they may err some in either direction. I do not know if the most important hexagram for the day is the one of midnight, or the one of sunrise, or two hexagrams: before and after the given time) LiSe Yi Jing, Book of the Moon www.anton-heyboer.org postmaster@aheyboer.com ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 19:55:22 +0200 From: "LiSe" Subject: HEX8: Hexagram August 3-4 August 2 05.17 GMT until August 3 06.19 GMT Hex.13.3 August 3 06.19 GMT until August 4 07.22 GMT: Hex.15.3 Wearisome teamwords. A noble man brings to completion. Auspicious. (Do what you do, as good as you are. You don't have to strive for results or recognition. Just doing and being what you can does the job, it will attract results and people. Being what you are matters more than showing what you are.) Sabian Symbol: An old sea captain rocking (Nothing changed, he is still doing what he always did.) ° Changing to 2.3 Harboring qualities permits determination. If one follows king's affairs, without achieving, he completes. (One's inner pattern decides what one accomplishes. Honor is of no use, dedication does the job. Act as if it is for a king, not for a goal: the value is in the doing.) (Time is given for Greenwich Main Time. For USA subtract appr. 6 hours (11 AM will be 5 AM), for China add appr. 8 hours, for Australia add appr. 9 hours (the difference between your local clock-time and GMT). Given times are NOT exact, they may err some in either direction. I do not know if the most important hexagram for the day is the one of midnight, or the one of sunrise, or two hexagrams: before and after the given time) LiSe Yi Jing, Book of the Moon www.anton-heyboer.org postmaster@aheyboer.com ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. ------------------------------ End of hexagram-8-digest V1 #201 ******************************** From owner-hexagram-8-digest@apocalypse.org Thu Aug 16 13:17:40 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by apocalypse.org (8.11.2/8.11.0) id f7GHHe404073 for hexagram-8-digest-outgoing; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 13:17:40 -0400 Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 13:17:40 -0400 Message-Id: <200108161717.f7GHHe404073@apocalypse.org> X-Authentication-Warning: apocalypse.org: majordom set sender to owner-hexagram-8-digest@apocalypse.org using -f From: owner-hexagram-8-digest@apocalypse.org (hexagram-8-digest) To: hexagram-8-digest@apocalypse.org Subject: hexagram-8-digest V1 #202 Reply-To: hexagram-8@apocalypse.org Sender: owner-hexagram-8-digest@apocalypse.org Errors-To: owner-hexagram-8-digest@apocalypse.org Precedence: bulk hexagram-8-digest Thursday, August 16 2001 Volume 01 : Number 202 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 18:20:06 +0200 From: "LiSe" Subject: HEX8: Hexagram August 4-5 Yesterday I made a mistake. It should have been like this: August 3 06.19 GMT until August 4 07.22 GMT: hex.14.3 August 4 07.22 GMT until August 5 08.24 GMT: hex.15.3 August 5 08.24 GMT until August 6 09.24 GMT: hex.16.3 Hex.16.3 Big-eyed passing on images: regret. Hesitation brings regret. (Wait for the right moment to act or react, for influencing or being influenced. Inspiration is not enough: actions need a base, borders, a form, and the right time and circumstances. And don't let the moment pass by.) Sabian Symbol: The human soul awaiting opportunity for expression (There is a lot in there, but open the right door at the right moment) Changing to 62.3 Do not exceed defending it. If you adhere to this, someone might injure you. Pitfall. (Do not defend your cause or ideals too much, in order not to provoke agression. Grand ideas have to fit in reality, if they don't, then do not cling to them. Their value is not how they sound, it is how they work.) Sabian Symbol: A false call unheard in attention to immediate service (The sieve of everyday reality has narrow holes ) (Time is given for Greenwich Main Time. For USA subtract appr. 6 hours (11 AM will be 5 AM), for China add appr. 8 hours, for Australia add appr. 9 hours (the difference between your local clock-time and GMT). Given times are NOT exact, they may err some in either direction. I do not know if the most important hexagram for the day is the one of midnight, or the one of sunrise, or two hexagrams: before and after the given time) LiSe Yi Jing, Book of the Moon www.anton-heyboer.org postmaster@aheyboer.com ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 19:45:33 +0200 From: "LiSe" Subject: HEX8: Hexagram August 5-6 August 5 08.24 GMT until August 6 09.24 GMT: hex.16.3 August 6 09.24 GMT until August 7 10.24 GMT: Hex.17.3 Related to the big man, losing the small child. By following one obtains what one seeks. Harvest: determination about settling. (Follow what you see as big and valuable, and do not regret the small you have to leave behind. Dedication will reach its destination and find its fulfilment.) Sabian Symbol: A pageant (The second half consists of those who could not resist following) * Changing to 49.3 Demand (or effectuate) that things be set right: pitfall. Determination: danger. When talk of skinning has gone round three times, there is truth. (Too soon and too late is both wrong. Don't follow every rumor, but don't tally either. The moment one is sure, one can act, and only then one will find the real participants.) Sabian Symbol: A volcano in eruption. (Some animals seem to know beforehand) (Time is given for Greenwich Main Time. For USA subtract appr. 6 hours (11 AM will be 5 AM), for China add appr. 8 hours, for Australia add appr. 9 hours (the difference between your local clock-time and GMT). Given times are NOT exact, they may err some in either direction. I do not know if the most important hexagram for the day is the one of midnight, or the one of sunrise, or two hexagrams: before and after the given time) LiSe Yi Jing, Book of the Moon www.anton-heyboer.org postmaster@aheyboer.com ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 19:48:02 -0400 From: "Dr R. Butler" Subject: Re: HEX8: Hexagram August 5-6 Hi LiSe, I have just returned from long travels away from email and find your daily hexagrams infusing some life in the quiet Yi corner of e-land. How does one relate to these daily thoughts? Are they for everyone on the planet? I remember some discussion of Sabian symbols, but do not remember their context in relation to the Yi. All the best, Rhett >August 5 08.24 GMT until August 6 09.24 GMT: hex.16.3 >August 6 09.24 GMT until August 7 10.24 GMT: > > >Hex.17.3 Related to the big man, losing the small child. By following one >obtains what one seeks. Harvest: determination about settling. >(Follow what you see as big and valuable, and do not regret the small you >have to leave behind. Dedication will reach its destination and find its >fulfilment.) > >Sabian Symbol: A pageant >(The second half consists of those who could not resist following) >* >Changing to 49.3 Demand (or effectuate) that things be set right: pitfall. >Determination: danger. When talk of skinning has gone round three times, >there is truth. >(Too soon and too late is both wrong. Don't follow every rumor, but don't >tally either. The moment one is sure, one can act, and only then one will >find the real participants.) > >Sabian Symbol: A volcano in eruption. >(Some animals seem to know beforehand) > >(Time is given for Greenwich Main Time. For USA subtract appr. 6 hours (11 >AM will be 5 AM), for China add appr. 8 hours, for Australia add appr. 9 >hours (the difference between your local clock-time and GMT). Given times >are NOT exact, they may err some in either direction. I do not know if the >most important hexagram for the day is the one of midnight, or the one of >sunrise, or two hexagrams: before and after the given time) > >LiSe >Yi Jing, Book of the Moon >www.anton-heyboer.org >postmaster@aheyboer.com > > > >===== >To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org >from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 20:17:31 +0200 From: "LiSe" Subject: HEX8: Hexagram August 6-7 August 6 09.24 GMT until August 7 10.24 GMT: hex.17.3 August 7 10.24 GMT until August 8 11.24 GMT: hex.18.3 Hex.18.3 Ramming against the father's decay. There is some regret. Without big fault. (Fighting decay and weakness will only succeed if one exaggerates a bit. Straightening something bent needs a little bending in the other direction.) Sabian Symbol: Sunshine just after a storm (Never seen a brighter world) ° Changing to 4.3 No benefit of taking a woman who, when she sees a rich man, loses control of herself. No ground for harvest. (Imitating slavishly or running after urges causes loss of one's own character and dignity.) Sabian Symbol: An epidemic of mumps (Getting infected means losing one's face) (Time is given for Greenwich Main Time. For USA subtract appr. 6 hours (11 AM will be 5 AM), for China add appr. 8 hours, for Australia add appr. 9 hours (the difference between your local clock-time and GMT). Given times are NOT exact, they may err some in either direction. I do not know if the most important hexagram for the day is the one of midnight, or the one of sunrise, or two hexagrams: before and after the given time) LiSe Yi Jing, Book of the Moon www.anton-heyboer.org postmaster@aheyboer.com ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 20:39:02 +0200 From: "LiSe" Subject: Re: HEX8: Hexagram August 5-6 and Sabian Symbols I copied the page of my website about the Sabian Symbols and how I started to work with them. I hope the mail is not too long, but since there are not really many mails around, I guess it is no problem. I always liked this list, but it was veeery silent lately, so I decided to recieve at least one mail a day ... They are indeed for everyone on the planet, but times can vary considerably, so sometimes for America the day starts with the next hexagram compared to China. My own experience so far is, that they indicate more or less a sequence of days. One hex is not exactly matching for one day, but after two or three days they have a common feeling which does fit with the hexagram-lines. I always saw around me that there was truth in astrology. Summer people are definitely different from winter people, just to name the most obvious one. It aroused my interest in the structure of astrology. When I got to know the Yi better, I recognized a similarity between the astrological signs and the lines of the hexagrams. The bottom line is 'beginning' and 'action', just like Aries. The second line is the relation to others, like Gemini. And so on. About the bottom and top line is said that they are outside the world, like the astrological signs just before and after spring solstice: Aquarius, Pisces, Aries and Taurus. These signs act from out the self, whereas the autumn signs are rather the 'partner'-signs. In the circle of the houses this is very visible. The houses at the East are the self, the opposite houses - corresponding with lines 3 and 4 - the other. But the Yi had 384 lines, and the 12 signs had only 360 degrees. Or 365 days of the year. It looked very much alike - but not quite right. Then I realized that one could not combine a degree of the zodiac or a day of the year with a line of hex.1 or 2. No birthday could ever be pure yang or pure yin. But then there were still 2 hexagrams too much. I came across a book by Han Boering. He says that the sentence 'Thereupon they (the trigrams) are doubled' (Wilhelm-Baines p.325) does not mean putting two of them on top of each other, but doubling every single line of one trigram. In a trigram one cannot tell if a line is young or old yang, but when they are doubled, one can make a difference. Two closed lines is old yang, an open and a closed one is young yang. Which one of those two is situated above is not certain. According to Boering, in the first edition of Wilhelm, the open line below the closed one is young yin. In later editions a fault had crept in: young yang and yin were switched. In books of Chinese origin there is no consistence, some say closed below, others closed above. So there is no real certainty. This means that hex. 63 and 64 are pure yang and pure yin too, but in this case young yang and young yin. Now I had 60 hexagrams left over - and 360 lines. And then - which degree with every single line? I thought that the sequence of the Yi might not be random. Maybe it had begun its existence based on the moon-months. Each one 29 or 30 days, and always alternating yang and yin of the same element (or 'moving'). I decided to simply put the degrees and the lines together, both in their own sequence. There exist several series of 360 images for the degrees of the zodiac. I had three of them, but only of two the sequence was certain. The other one had been shuffled around to match the ideas of the astrologer who found and revised it. So I tried those two. One, by Charubel (or John Thomas) did match poorly. But the other one, the Sabian Symbols, by Elsie Wheeler and writer Marc Edmund Jones, seemed to fit more or less. Some lines and images did indeed go together wonderfully. But many other combinations did not make any sense. These zodiacal images are devised by clear-sightedness. I am always a bit wary of that. For every serious and genuine manifestation of it, there exist innumerable worthless ones. But I don't reject it completely. Maybe it has never been proved as true, but the contrary has also never been proved. The Sabian Society has a beautiful website at www.sabian.org With material on Marc Edmund Jones, the Sabian Symbols, a database with 30.000 nativities. And more. Aries 1 goes together with hex.3 bottom line, Aries 2 with hex.4 bottom line, Aries 3 with hex.5 bottom line, and so on. Taurus 1 with hex.33 bottom line. And then Gemini 1 with hex.3 line 2, Gemini 2 with hex.4 line 2. LiSe Yi Jing, Book of the Moon www.anton-heyboer.org postmaster@aheyboer.com - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dr R. Butler" To: Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 1:48 AM Subject: Re: HEX8: Hexagram August 5-6 > Hi LiSe, > > I have just returned from long travels away from email and find your daily > hexagrams infusing some life in the quiet Yi corner of e-land. > > How does one relate to these daily thoughts? Are they for everyone on the > planet? I remember some discussion of Sabian symbols, but do not remember > their context in relation to the Yi. > > All the best, > > Rhett . ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 18:02:38 -0400 From: "Dr R. Butler" Subject: Re: HEX8: Hexagram August 5-6 and Sabian Symbols Thanks, LiSe, I do not know if I understand what you are saying, so I will watch the Hexagrams that you send and see if I see correspondence around me. All the best, Rhett >I copied the page of my website about the Sabian Symbols and how I started >to work with them. I hope the mail is not too long, but since there are not >really many mails around, I guess it is no problem. > >I always liked this list, but it was veeery silent lately, so I decided to >recieve at least one mail a day ... > >They are indeed for everyone on the planet, but times can vary considerably, >so sometimes for America the day starts with the next hexagram compared to >China. >My own experience so far is, that they indicate more or less a sequence of >days. One hex is not exactly matching for one day, but after two or three >days they have a common feeling which does fit with the hexagram-lines. > > > I always saw around me that there was truth in astrology. Summer people >are definitely different from winter people, just to name the most obvious >one. It aroused my interest in the structure of astrology. > When I got to know the Yi better, I recognized a similarity between the >astrological signs and the lines of the hexagrams. The bottom line is >'beginning' and 'action', just like Aries. The second line is the relation >to others, like Gemini. And so on. About the bottom and top line is said >that they are outside the world, like the astrological signs just before and >after spring solstice: Aquarius, Pisces, Aries and Taurus. These signs act >from out the self, whereas the autumn signs are rather the 'partner'-signs. >In the circle of the houses this is very visible. The houses at the East are >the self, the opposite houses - corresponding with lines 3 and 4 - the >other. > > But the Yi had 384 lines, and the 12 signs had only 360 degrees. Or 365 >days of the year. It looked very much alike - but not quite right. > Then I realized that one could not combine a degree of the zodiac or a day >of the year with a line of hex.1 or 2. No birthday could ever be pure yang >or pure yin. But then there were still 2 hexagrams too much. > > I came across a book by Han Boering. He says that the sentence 'Thereupon >they (the trigrams) are doubled' (Wilhelm-Baines p.325) does not mean >putting two of them on top of each other, but doubling every single line of >one trigram. In a trigram one cannot tell if a line is young or old yang, >but when they are doubled, one can make a difference. Two closed lines is >old yang, an open and a closed one is young yang. Which one of those two is >situated above is not certain. According to Boering, in the first edition of >Wilhelm, the open line below the closed one is young yin. In later editions >a fault had crept in: young yang and yin were switched. In books of Chinese >origin there is no consistence, some say closed below, others closed above. >So there is no real certainty. > This means that hex. 63 and 64 are pure yang and pure yin too, but in >this case young yang and young yin. Now I had 60 hexagrams left over - and >360 lines. > > And then - which degree with every single line? I thought that the >sequence of the Yi might not be random. Maybe it had begun its existence >based on the moon-months. Each one 29 or 30 days, and always alternating >yang and yin of the same element (or 'moving'). I decided to simply put the >degrees and the lines together, both in their own sequence. > > There exist several series of 360 images for the degrees of the zodiac. I >had three of them, but only of two the sequence was certain. The other one >had been shuffled around to match the ideas of the astrologer who found and >revised it. So I tried those two. One, by Charubel (or John Thomas) did >match poorly. But the other one, the Sabian Symbols, by Elsie Wheeler and >writer Marc Edmund Jones, seemed to fit more or less. Some lines and images >did indeed go together wonderfully. But many other combinations did not make >any sense. > > These zodiacal images are devised by clear-sightedness. I am always a bit >wary of that. For every serious and genuine manifestation of it, there exist >innumerable worthless ones. But I don't reject it completely. Maybe it has >never been proved as true, but the contrary has also never been proved. The >Sabian Society has a beautiful website at www.sabian.org With material on >Marc Edmund Jones, the Sabian Symbols, a database with 30.000 nativities. >And more. > > Aries 1 goes together with hex.3 bottom line, Aries 2 with hex.4 bottom >line, Aries 3 with hex.5 bottom line, and so on. Taurus 1 with hex.33 bottom >line. And then Gemini 1 with hex.3 line 2, Gemini 2 with hex.4 line 2. > >LiSe >Yi Jing, Book of the Moon >www.anton-heyboer.org >postmaster@aheyboer.com >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Dr R. Butler" >To: >Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 1:48 AM >Subject: Re: HEX8: Hexagram August 5-6 > > >> Hi LiSe, >> >> I have just returned from long travels away from email and find your daily >> hexagrams infusing some life in the quiet Yi corner of e-land. >> >> How does one relate to these daily thoughts? Are they for everyone on the >> planet? I remember some discussion of Sabian symbols, but do not remember >> their context in relation to the Yi. >> >> All the best, >> >> Rhett >. > > > >===== >To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org >from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 20:42:50 EDT From: FKegan@aol.com Subject: Re: HEX8: Hexagram August 5-6 and Sabian Symbols Hi Rhett and LiSe, I also find the correspondence between the days and the oracles and then the Sabian Symbols difficult to follow. In my research, I also came to using the 60 hexagrams 3-62 to correspond to the Zodiac and thus to the Sabian Symbols. However, I work with each set as marking off a sequence around the circle, 1 Aries to 30 Pisces and hex 3 line 1, then line 2 etc, then hex 3 line 6 and hex 4 line 1 completing the circle at hex 62 line 6. I use the Euclidean axiom that all circles are similar to relate the two circles as similar systems. What remains is what hexagram line 1 relates to 1 Aries. Since hexagrams grow up from the ground, I took hexagram 3, referring incidentally to the thunder emerging from the ground and the sprout emerging from the ground to relate to the bottom most point on the circle, like midnight in an analog 24 hour clock. In astrology, the point of measurement is the eastern horizon, the most left point, like the rising sun at dawn. This would relate 1 Aries to hex 48 line one, and hex 3 line one to 1 Cancer. I also relate these cyclic systems to Pythagorean patterns, such as the one to six on the dice cube to the 6 lines of the hexagram. The result is a correspondence of the Sabian Symbols to the lines of the hexagrams 3-62. At times the exactness is quite simple, other times very striking, and other times, it takes a very thorough analysis of the internal structure and geometry of each place, not just the words of the poetry. However, in due course, the Sabian Symbols, the I Ching and the Pythagorean systems all mesh quite exactly. Frank Kegan ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 19:26:37 +0200 From: "LiSe" Subject: HEX8: Hexagram August 7-8 August 7 10.24 GMT until August 8 11.24 GMT: hex.18.3 August 8 11.24 GMT until August 9 12.25 GMT: hex.19.3 Hex.19.3 Sweet nearing. Probing brings no harvest. Already sad about it, without fault. (Sentiments are useless. Give your feelings only to essential and valuable things or people. Forget status, it is the inner worth that counts.) Sabian Symbol: A nonvested church choir (The tailor makes the man - but not his song) ° Changing to 11.3 Without level places no slopes. Without going no returning. In hard conditions determination: no fault. Do not worry over the inevitable. Sustenance brings blessing. (Good fortune is fragile, nothing is certain, everything contains also its opposite. Accept it and make life proceed in all circumstances. To stay alive is a blessing, all the rest is an extra.) Sabian Symbol: Glass blowers. (Melt what breaks and blow it again) (Time is given for Greenwich Main Time. For USA subtract appr. 6 hours (11 AM will be 5 AM), for China add appr. 8 hours, for Australia add appr. 9 hours (the difference between your local clock-time and GMT). Given times are NOT exact, they may err some in either direction. I do not know if the most important hexagram for the day is the one of midnight, or the one of sunrise, or two hexagrams: before and after the given time) LiSe Yi Jing, Book of the Moon www.anton-heyboer.org postmaster@aheyboer.com ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 20:22:02 +0200 From: "LiSe" Subject: HEX8: Hexagram August 8-9 August 8-9 August 8 11.24 GMT until August 9 12.25 GMT: hex.19.3 August 9 12.25 GMT until August 10 13.24 GMT: hex.20.3 Hex.20.3 Contemplating my own life. Advancing, withdrawing. (One has to oscillate all the time between one's individual development and duties towards others. Consider carefully the consequences, day after day, and make conscious choices.) Sabian Symbol: A teacher of chemistry. (Before and after the arrow is the same number of atoms and yet a different world.) * Changing to 53.3 The wild goose gradually approaches the highlands. The husband goes out and does not return. The woman gets pregnant but does not raise the child. Pitfall. Harvest: defense against robbers. (There must be a permanent thread in your emotions, reactions and deeds, so others can expect what you will do next. If there is not, cooperation or building up a life together is not possible. And this solid structure is made by everyday small events.) Sabian Symbol: A girl's basketball team. (Just a bunch of girls, but when they get to know each other, cooperation emerges.) (Time is given for Greenwich Main Time. For USA subtract appr. 6 hours (11 AM will be 5 AM), for China add appr. 8 hours, for Australia add appr. 9 hours (the difference between your local clock-time and GMT). Given times are NOT exact, they may err some in either direction. I do not know if the most important hexagram for the day is the one of midnight, or the one of sunrise, or two hexagrams: before and after the given time) LiSe Yi Jing, Book of the Moon www.anton-heyboer.org postmaster@aheyboer.com ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 20:05:11 +0200 From: "LiSe" Subject: HEX8: Hexagram August 9-10 August 9 12.25 GMT until August 10 13.24 GMT: hex.20.3 August 10 13.24 GMT until August 11 14.24 GMT: hex.21.3 Hex.21.3 Biting cured meat, encounters poison. Small distress. Without fault. (When emotions get trapped, one has to make them free again. It always hurts - oneself, someone else. But one has to do it, one's first duty is always to live. Arrange your life such, that you can always give your emotions the freedom they need. Not by giving them no home, but by giving them a movable home. Life will be richer for yourself and for those around you.) * Changing to 30.3 The Bright Bird of the sun in the West (sunset). Not drumming on jars and singing. Harvest: big laments of old age. Pitfall. (If you are not able to use little events as cause for joy, happiness or togetherness, difficult times will be a disaster for you. Useless things can be extremely useful in another realm of consciousness, so open your eyes and look for them. If your heart stays young and open, so will you.) Sabian Symbol: Many little birds on a limb of a large tree (Yggdrasil has a huge trunk but also whispering leaves, gives shelter to the growling bear but also to chattering birds.) (Time is given for Greenwich Main Time. For USA subtract appr. 6 hours (11 AM will be 5 AM), for China add appr. 8 hours, for Australia add appr. 9 hours (the difference between your local clock-time and GMT). Given times are NOT exact, they may err some in either direction. I do not know if the most important hexagram for the day is the one of midnight, or the one of sunrise, or two hexagrams: before and after the given time) LiSe Yi Jing, Book of the Moon www.anton-heyboer.org postmaster@aheyboer.com ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 12:00:10 -0500 From: Charlie Higgins Subject: HEX8: Re: Needham's Volume III I have a new copy of Needham's Volume 3, "Science and Civilisation in China," Sections 19-25 that I am going to sell. I'm weeding out books that I don't use anymore and hopefully some of you may get some use out of them. I used this book once to make photocopies and it has been on my bookshelf since. I paid over $200 (US) new and am willing to part with it for $150 if anyone is interested... Charlie Higgins ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 20:00:49 +0200 From: "LiSe" Subject: HEX8: Hexagram August 10-11 August 10 13.24 GMT until August 11 14.24 GMT: hex.21.3 August 11 14.24 GMT until August 12 15.22 GMT: hex.22.3 Hex.22.3 Then energetic, then silverhaired. Then a white horse soaring up. No bandit, a marital suitor. (Show what you really are. Make-believe and macho work for a short time, but people will mistrust it. What seems less, but is true, will find belief and honor.) Sabian Symbol: The Zuni sun worshippers. (Suns and Gods shine on all kinds of people alike) ° Changing to 27.3 Rejecting jaws. Determination pitfall. For ten years no use. No probing brings harvest. (The purpose of food is to sustain life, for the body or the spirit. Don't turn it to a dogma. Only eating what is 'right' or only eating what tastes nice are both wrong. Food should be healthy as well as tasty, feeding body and mind as well as eyes and joy.) Sabian Symbol: A camel crossing the desert (I don't think he will make it if he rejects half of what he finds.) (Time is given for Greenwich Main Time. For USA subtract appr. 6 hours (11 AM will be 5 AM), for China add appr. 8 hours, for Australia add appr. 9 hours (the difference between your local clock-time and GMT). Given times are NOT exact, they may err some in either direction. I do not know if the most important hexagram for the day is the one of midnight, or the one of sunrise, or two hexagrams: before and after the given time) LiSe Yi Jing, Book of the Moon www.anton-heyboer.org postmaster@aheyboer.com ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 20:47:12 +0200 From: "LiSe" Subject: HEX8: Hexagram August 11-12 August 11 14.24 GMT until August 12 15.22 GMT: hex.22.3 August 12 15.22 GMT until August 13 16.19 GMT: hex.23.3 Hex.23.3 Stripping it. Without fault. (To be yourself, live your life, make your decisions, you have to break away from all those people who tell you how to live, or even without saying anything, expecting you to live according to their views. Even if you choose an absurd life - so what? It is your life.) Sabian Symbol: Chickens intoxicated (Every day a glass is good for heart and veins.) * Changing to 52.3 Stabilize one's limits. Arrange one's ambitions. Danger of poisoning the heart. (A life with too many rules, limits, dogma's and fixed values is not alive. Tao is not written down anywhere, your heart is the only one who knows - if your heart has enough freedom.) Sabian Symbol: An automobile caravan (All going the same road, all poisoning each other) (Time is given for Greenwich Main Time. For USA subtract appr. 6 hours (11 AM will be 5 AM), for China add appr. 8 hours, for Australia add appr. 9 hours (the difference between your local clock-time and GMT). Given times are NOT exact, they may err some in either direction. I do not know if the most important hexagram for the day is the one of midnight, or the one of sunrise, or two hexagrams: before and after the given time) LiSe Yi Jing, Book of the Moon www.anton-heyboer.org postmaster@aheyboer.com ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 19:53:53 +0200 From: "LiSe" Subject: HEX8: Hexagram August 11-12 August 12 15.22 GMT until August 13 16.19 GMT: hex.23.3 August 13 16.19 GMT until August 14 17.17 GMT: hex.24.3 Hex.24.3 On the brink of returning. Danger. Without fault. (If one's aim is always to return to one' essence, in every situation or action, one has not chosen the easiest way of living. Often it will cause difficulties, but the reward is great. How many people will ever find the place where they belong? This is the way to find it.) Sabian Symbol: A carrier pigeon (Always coming back home, with the message.) * Changing to 36.3 Hiding brightness. At the hunt in the South catching the great head. Not permitting a determination about affliction. (If your mind is low, then go hunting in the fields of Hypochondria - the South, the belly, the domain of emotions. Giving your thoughts a connection with physical sensations may not solve anything yet, but it opens the gateway for recovery. When things get tangible they attract concrete solutions.) Sabian Symbol: A chocolate child playing with white children (Big changes have to start small and then grow big.) (Time is given for Greenwich Main Time. For USA subtract appr. 6 hours (11 AM will be 5 AM), for China add appr. 8 hours, for Australia add appr. 9 hours (the difference between your local clock-time and GMT). Given times are NOT exact, they may err some in either direction. I do not know if the most important hexagram for the day is the one of midnight, or the one of sunrise, or two hexagrams: before and after the given time) LiSe Yi Jing, Book of the Moon www.anton-heyboer.org postmaster@aheyboer.com ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 20:15:50 +0200 From: "LiSe" Subject: HEX8: Hexagram August 13-14 August 13 16.19 GMT until August 14 17.17 GMT: hex.24.3 August 14 17.17 GMT until August 15 18.12 GMT: hex.25.3 Hex.25.3 The disaster of innocence. Someone binds his cow, road-people's gain, town people's disaster. Who relies too much on rules and laws reckons too little with the unexpected. Rules are man-made, nature often does not heed them. The one with a free mind, looking after himself and able to assess risks, is seldom struck by mishap. But often pleasantly surprised by a slice of good luck. Sabian Symbol: A bareback rider Some learn to ride on a horse, others learn to ride on a saddle ° Changing to 13.3 Hiding away arms in the thickets. Ascending a high mound. Three years not rising (up again). With human rules life becomes extremely complicated. Never knowing when one can rely on them, one has to develop suspicion and fear. Put your trust in universal rules, they will support and protect you. It is the only base for a loving, trusting and playful life with others. Sabian Symbol: Children on a swing in a huge oak tree You have a place in the overall scheme of things (Time is given for Greenwich Main Time. For USA subtract appr. 6 hours (11 AM will be 5 AM), for China add appr. 8 hours, for Australia add appr. 9 hours (the difference between your local clock-time and GMT). Given times are NOT exact, they may err some in either direction. I do not know if the most important hexagram for the day is the one of midnight, or the one of sunrise, or two hexagrams: before and after the given time) LiSe Yi Jing, Book of the Moon www.anton-heyboer.org postmaster@aheyboer.com ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 20:06:12 +0200 From: "LiSe" Subject: HEX8: Hexagram August 14-15 August 14 17.17 GMT until August 15 18.12 GMT: hex.25.3 August 15 18.12 GMT until August 16 19.10 GMT: hex.26.3 Hex.26.3 Fine horses for pursuit. Harvest: a hardship determination. Daily making fences, making carts, patrolling. Harvest: proceeding probing. (Good things do not arrive by themselves. For having a good horse, one has to make a good horse and dedicate oneself to it. For a real good one: a lifetime, maybe the lifetimes of several generations. Everything one does should rely on dedication. It makes life to Life.) Sabian Symbol: An untidy unkempt man (Focus yourself totally on what you are doing, indifferent to criticism or social rules. Results are always as real as the maker.) ° Changing to 41.3 Three people moving, then the rule is they are diminished by one person. One person moving, then the rule is one finds a friend. (Everybody creates his own future by what he acquires and what he discards. Amassing, whether of things or of people, means diminishing spirituality and individuality. Two is company, three is a crowd. Relying on spiritual exchange instead of crowds of things or people opens the door for real emotions and contact.) Sabian Symbol: A man making a futurist drawing (Groups cannot imagine the not-yet, only an individual can.) (Time is given for Greenwich Main Time. For USA subtract appr. 6 hours (11 AM will be 5 AM), for China add appr. 8 hours, for Australia add appr. 9 hours (the difference between your local clock-time and GMT). Given times are NOT exact, they may err some in either direction. I do not know if the most important hexagram for the day is the one of midnight, or the one of sunrise, or two hexagrams: before and after the given time) LiSe Yi Jing, Book of the Moon www.anton-heyboer.org postmaster@aheyboer.com ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 19:55:05 +0200 From: "LiSe" Subject: HEX8: Hexagram August 15-16 August 15 18.12 GMT until August 16 19.10 GMT: hex.26.3 August 16 19.10 GMT until August 17 20.06 GMT: hex.27.3 Hex.27.3 Rejecting jaws. Determination pitfall. For ten years nothing to use. No probing brings harvest. Rejecting jaws. Determination pitfall. For ten years nothing to use. No probing brings harvest. (The purpose of food is to sustain life, for the body or the spirit. Don't turn it to a dogma. Only eating what is 'right' or only eating what tastes nice are both wrong. Food should be healthy as well as tasty, feeding body and mind as well as eyes and joy.) Sabian Symbol: A camel crossing the desert (I don't think he will make it if he rejects half of what he finds.) * Changing to 22.3 Then energetic, then penetrating like water. Ever flowing determination auspicious. (Honor strength as well as beauty, action as well as relaxation. Only if both sides of life's aspects are present, one will live. One-sidedness makes rigid and vulnerable.) Sabian Symbol: The Zuni sun worshipers. (Suns and Gods shine on all kinds of people alike) (Time is given for Greenwich Main Time. For USA subtract appr. 6 hours (11 AM will be 5 AM), for China add appr. 8 hours, for Australia add appr. 9 hours (the difference between your local clock-time and GMT). Given times are NOT exact, they may err some in either direction. I do not know if the most important hexagram for the day is the one of midnight, or the one of sunrise, or two hexagrams: before and after the given time) LiSe Yi Jing, Book of the Moon www.anton-heyboer.org postmaster@aheyboer.com ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 19:47:28 +0200 From: "LiSe" Subject: HEX8: Hexagram August 16-17 August 16 19.10 GMT until August 17 20.06 GMT: hex.27.3 August 17 20.06 GMT until August 18 20.06 GMT: hex.28.3 Hex.28.3 The ridgepole is sagging. Pitfall. (If you believe you are weak or old or failing, then you will make it true. These are not feelings of real life, they are just negative ideas. Can a dog 'think' he is old? His limbs may be stiff, but his mind is Now, today, what he is doing right now. In his mind is no 'himself' to think about.) Sabian Symbol: A rainbow (God promised that he would not send a Flood again, so this one is made by your own mind.) * Changing to 47.3 Confined to stone. Relies on star thistle. Enters his house , sees not his wife. Pitfall. (Never let feelings be conditioned by what 'ought' or is 'good' or is admired by others. Conditioning is one of the worst prisons, it needs not even walls. Let your own feelings speak and listen well. Follow only what they acknowledge as worthwhile.) Sabian Symbol: An ornamental handkerchief. An ornamental handkerchief. (You will have to take care not to spill tears on the ornaments) (Time is given for Greenwich Main Time. For USA subtract appr. 6 hours (11 AM will be 5 AM), for China add appr. 8 hours, for Australia add appr. 9 hours (the difference between your local clock-time and GMT). Given times are NOT exact, they may err some in either direction. I do not know if the most important hexagram for the day is the one of midnight, or the one of sunrise, or two hexagrams: before and after the given time) LiSe Yi Jing, Book of the Moon www.anton-heyboer.org postmaster@aheyboer.com ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. ------------------------------ End of hexagram-8-digest V1 #202 ********************************