From owner-hexagram-8-digest@apocalypse.org Sun Feb 24 02:16:32 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by apocalypse.org (8.11.2/8.11.0) id g1O7GWc17644 for hexagram-8-digest-outgoing; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 02:16:32 -0500 Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 02:16:32 -0500 Message-Id: <200202240716.g1O7GWc17644@apocalypse.org> X-Authentication-Warning: apocalypse.org: majordom set sender to owner-hexagram-8-digest@apocalypse.org using -f From: owner-hexagram-8-digest@apocalypse.org (hexagram-8-digest) To: hexagram-8-digest@apocalypse.org Subject: hexagram-8-digest V1 #205 Reply-To: hexagram-8@apocalypse.org Sender: owner-hexagram-8-digest@apocalypse.org Errors-To: owner-hexagram-8-digest@apocalypse.org Precedence: bulk hexagram-8-digest Sunday, February 24 2002 Volume 01 : Number 205 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 13:10:28 -0700 From: Ronald Hale-Evans Subject: HEX8: Discovering Our Nature 1A (bounced message) - ----- Forwarded message from owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org ----- >From owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org Wed Oct 24 14:37:09 2001 Received: from imo-r06.mx.aol.com (imo-r06.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.102]) by apocalypse.org (8.11.2/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f9OIb6225510 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2001 14:37:07 -0400 Received: from Fule@aol.com by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.8.) id h.15b.2f6d9a2 (3965) for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2001 14:36:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Fule@aol.com Message-ID: <15b.2f6d9a2.2908642f@aol.com> Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 14:36:31 EDT Subject: A-Discovering our Nature 1 To: Hexagram-8@apocalypse.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Language: en X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by apocalypse.org id f9OIb9225512 Discovering our Nature As I write this there are thousands grieving, for within scant weeks there has been carnage inflicted by those who would place themselves beyond the highest. As I write this there are millions grieving for these same acts touch us deeply at levels we cannot describe. The people most affected - those who died in unspeakable ways -- are all heroes. We honor them as our ancestors. Those of us who are left have allowed the heroism of the dead to shake us. For what is at stake here is not as much frozen in our own predicaments as much as what we have shared; what we have witnessed is a literal demonstration of anti-life, it is the recognition of the fetid, a horrible crime against the wonder of living, a curse against the totality of civilization. It was a crime against the teachings of religion and the will of humanity. I know we each have great difficulty in expressing what happened, but to me it was fundamentally a crime against nature. When we come into this perspective we can turn to ancient texts. Self-absorption acting against nature (i.e. nature, the community of nature, human nature) is an oft included subject in both the Tao Te Ching and the Chuang Tzu (for example, see Chapter 16 in either). Through the Confucian lineage we can appreciate this same thread regarding the I Ching. The written version (the Zhouyi) was in ample part derived from the Mandate of Heaven, or the ordinance received by King Wen and completed by King Wu (which said it was the duty of man to rule but should the rule be unjust it would be the course of Heaven to replace the ruler). This is the mainspring of nature, man working in concert with the unseen world. We know our awareness has changed since the I Ching was written over 2,800 years ago. We no longer live with the earth as a sacred place, we no longer have a sacred relationship with our food or the heavenly process, but we still live on the same earth. We know they sacrificed as a part of their religion, but that human sacrifice was ended at about the same time the I Ching was written. We know our awareness has changed and the rules seem to keep changing but the principles remain the same. For we also know one of the primary things we can learn is about context. We can't duplicate their world but we can avail ourselves of their wisdom and its ramifications as it is expressed in the context of now. Who among us didn't feel the attack and its consequences at an energetic level? Who didn't feel the shift in our nature as our ground was pulled out from under us … we each may not refer to it as energetic change, but to a person, we each experienced it. We went from numbness and confusion toward a state recognizing there were others who felt like ourselves; indeed we discovered in the actions of those who died, in the shock of the entire world and in our neighbor from across the street, a commonality. (Note: Because of length, this message is in three posts - Discovering our Nature A1, then B1, then Discovering our Nature 2. Sorry for the confusion.) - ----- End forwarded message ----- - -- Ron Hale-Evans ... rwhe@ludism.org & rwhe@apocalypse.org Center for Ludic Synergy, Seattle Cosmic Game Night, Kennexions Glass Bead Game & Positive Revolution FAQ: http://www.ludism.org/ Home page & Hexagram-8 I Ching Mailing List: http://www.apocalypse.org/~rwhe/ == You meet the most interesting people when you're a solipsist. == ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 03:37:25 EDT From: SaadEYKI@aol.com Subject: Re: HEX8: Discovering our Nature 2 Dans un courrier daté du 24/10/01 17:51:52, Fule@aol.com a écrit : <> - -Can you explain what do you mean ? ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 03:38:56 EDT From: SaadEYKI@aol.com Subject: Re: HEX8: Discovering our Nature 2 Dans un courrier daté du 24/10/01 17:51:52, Fule@aol.com a écrit : <> - -It is your own personnal opinion or something you receive from Heaven… ??!!! ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 03:44:04 EDT From: SaadEYKI@aol.com Subject: Re: HEX8: Discovering our Nature 2 Dans un courrier daté du 24/10/01 17:51:52, Fule@aol.com a écrit : <> - -Do you think it is a good idea or it is in off only because you receive the answer, this answer ? You are a good soldier ! Are you a soldier of love ? How beautiful is ! Tell us how do you feel ! ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 03:48:12 EDT From: SaadEYKI@aol.com Subject: Re: HEX8: A--Discovering our Nature 1 (1A) Dans un courrier daté du 24/10/01 22:08:50, Fule@aol.com a écrit : <> - -Really ? ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 20:54:36 +0200 From: "heybo008" Subject: HEX8: Re: 25, line 2: this calls for an expert in Chinese! Bu4 geng1 huo4 bu4 zi1 yu2 Bu: not Geng1, GSR.808: plough + 'arable land' (which is the same character as the well of hex.48). Meaning: to plough Huo4, GSR.784h: grain + a bird being caught: to reap, to cut. Bu: not Zi1, GSR.969c: field + water + plants: recently broken field Yu2, GSR.82f: field + plough-share: field in the 3rd (2nd ?) year of cultivation. (GSR is Karcher 'Grammata Serica Recensa') Not ploughing reaping not new field not 2nd year field. Then (as a consequence) harvest having probing proceeding. No but's and yet's in the sentence. (I like the probing, it is the old meaning of " 'direction', gives me more ideas of how to go on, in what kind of mood). Without the buts and yets I think it says simply there is nothing to do, nothing to look after. So go on, you are free to find something worthwhile you really want to do. Or rather: do not BE the things you are supposed to do, if you are free, all will be done when it should be done: by proceeding probing, reacting to the right moment instead of rules. It changes to 10.2: Walking the way, calm and frank. Hermit's determination, auspicious. To live a real life means to be faithful to oneself and to follow one's own road. Out of reach of society this road is straight, but in the world of people one will have to defend it. Hold on to it, always. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hilary Barrett" To: "hexagram-8" Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 4:14 PM Subject: HEX8: 25, line 2: this calls for an expert in Chinese! > Hello all, > > I've just been looking at 25, line 2 - not for the first or last time... - > and wondering... > There doesn't seem to be any real doubt about the literal translation: > Not plough crop/harvest > Not clear-for-cultivation ploughland (ie land already under the plough for a > year or so) > And therefore beneficial(/harvest) to have a direction to go. > > But this is of course blindingly obvious. You don't drag the plough over the > crop; you don't clear land that's already cleared and ploughed. Wilhelm has > expunged the absurd from this line by turning it into 'not counting on the > harvest when ploughing', which is well and good but not what it says. Huang > has the same - looking at Lynn's notes, it seems they both take this from > Chu Hsi. > > Karcher just says it isn't time to farm, and doesn't seem to notice that > tilling crops isn't the way to go about farming anyway. > (Uncharacteristically feeble!) > > Rutt ingeniously turns it round, making some sense with minimal change - > reaping without first having ploughed; tilling without first having cleared. > Impossible (unless you just took over someone else's patch), but obviously > fortunate. Perhaps a 'lilies of the field' message? > > Richard Lynn's translation has a host of suggestions in the notes. Not > ploughing but reaping, not clearing but tending mature fields, ie working > for someone else rather than starting something new individually. (Wang Bi) > Cheng Yi: you don't reap without first ploughing nor have a field without > first clearing it. > > Help! I need a Chinese speaker! Is not-verb-object the natural way to read > this? (Hugely relieved to see that this is how Bradford has it!) > (LiSe - possibly my favourite translator :-) - has 'not-verb-verb', ie not > doing either, but dwelling in the present.) > > As it seems to me - this might just be the Yi being funny... The most > obvious message (subject to correction from the Chinese speakers!) seems to > be that it's not wise to do things in the wrong order, starting from scratch > and destroying the capital you've built up already. Is this a possible > reading? And is there a translator or interpreter I haven't referred to who > got there before me? > > ...help?... > > all best wishes, > Hilary > > P.S. Hope no-one minds the cross posting. I tend to do so when I really want > to pick every brain available... > > > > ===== > To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org > from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. > ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 12:06:35 EST From: Frankelmick@aol.com Subject: HEX8: Lecture in London - --part1_6d.1d904f61.2929449b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Apologies to everyone not in London. I noticed that there's a lecture coming up entitled, "Unravelling the Yi=20 Jing" at the Theosophical Society, 50,Gloucester Place, W1 on Sunday 9th=20 December at 6:00. I don't know anything about the Theosophical Society or the presenter, Sue=20 Kalicinska but I thought I might attend the lecture and I wondered if anyon= e=20 else would be interested. Here's their web address: www.theosophical-society.org.uk Here's the description of the lecture copied from the website: "The Universe is in a constant state of transformation. Matter and energy=20 interchange continuously. Now light, now dark, the lines of the 64 hexagrams= =20 that comprise the Yi Jing mirror this transformation. This talk investigates= =20 how the ancient Chinese Book of Changes can be used to understand the=20 complexity of manifestation and unfold our spirituality in daily life. Sue=20 Kalicinska, has been a keen student of Yi Jing for nearly 20 years. She is a= n=20 acupuncturist and runs her multi-disciplinary clinic in Camberley. Admission= =20 =A34, =A33 concessions/Theosophical Society members. Society." =20 Best wishes, Mick - --part1_6d.1d904f61.2929449b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Apologies to everyone not= in London.

I noticed that there's a lecture coming up entitled, "Unravelling the Yi= Jing" at the Theosophical Society, 50,Gloucester Place, W1 on Sunday 9th De= cember at 6:00.

I don't know anything about the Theosophical Society or the presenter, S= ue Kalicinska  but I thought I might attend the lecture and I wondered=20= if anyone else would be interested.

Here's their web address: www.theosophical-society.org.uk

Here's the description of the lecture copied from the website:
"The Universe is in a constant state of transformation. Matter and energ= y interchange continuously. Now light, now dark, the lines of the 64 hexagra= ms that comprise the Yi Jing mirror this transformation. This talk investiga= tes how the ancient Chinese Book of Changes can be used to understand the co= mplexity of manifestation and unfold our spirituality in daily life. = Sue Kalicinska, has been a keen student of Yi Jing for nearly 20 y= ears. She is an acupuncturist and runs her multi-disciplinary clinic in Camb= erley. Admission =A34, =A33 concessions/Theosophical Society members. Societ= y." =20

Best wishes,

Mick - --part1_6d.1d904f61.2929449b_boundary-- ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 20:02:02 -0000 From: "Hilary Barrett" Subject: HEX8: Yet another question I can't answer Hi all, Hope you don't mind the cross-posting, but this is such a recondite question I thought I'd send it to as many people as possible. Some trusting individual has sent me this message: "I have just one question. I am looking for a book, which explains the connenctions between the I-Ching and the Wing Chun-Kung Fu Style. I would be very grateful if I could get an advice where to find such a book. Thank you very much in advance!" And I am clueless. Can anyone help? Thanks! Hilary ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 12:30:08 -0800 From: Ray Langley Subject: HEX8: Re: [CA] Yet another question I can't answer > Hi all, > > Hope you don't mind the cross-posting, but this is such a recondite question > I thought I'd send it to as many people as possible. Some trusting > individual has sent me this message: > > "I have just one question. > I am looking for a book, which explains the connenctions between the I-Ching > and the Wing Chun-Kung Fu Style. > I would be very grateful if I could get an advice where to find such a book. > Thank you very much in advance!" > > And I am clueless. Can anyone help? > > Thanks! > > Hilary Greeting Hilary. I began studying Wing Chun in 1994, and even traveled to mainland China with my shifu to meet some of the old masters. But, I haven't heard of any connection between Wing Chun and Yijing.... List member Dr. Twicken also studies Wing Chun and Yijing, maybe he can shed some light on this subject. Perhaps your friend is thinking of the BaGua (Pa Kua) style of kung fu? - -- Ray Langley, "Have Luo Pan, Will Travel!" ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2001 02:16:04 -0500 From: Subject: Re: HEX8: Yet another question I can't answer Hilary, I don't know of any specific title off hand but I have a few thoughts that you might want to pass on to your friend. If I'm not mistaken, one of the early books by Bruce Lee, who studied Wing Chun in his youth, mentions some connection or the philosophical relationship between the two subjects. Does your friend read Chinese? I'm in China at the moment and can certainly see if there isn't such a book in one of the stores here. Also, although we don't directly mention Wing Chun, there is a chapter in our new book, A Brief History of Qi, that talks about qi and the martial arts. It's an indirect approach to some of the same substantive issues that might be found in a discussion of the Yi and martial arts. Hope that helps. Ken Rose hexagram-8@apocalypse.org wrote: > Hi all, Hope you don't mind the cross-posting, but this is such a recondite question I thought I'd send it to as many people as possible. Some trusting individual has sent me this message: "I have just one question. I am looking for a book, which explains the connenctions between the I-Ching and the Wing Chun-Kung Fu Style. I would be very grateful if I could get an advice where to find such a book. Thank you very much in advance!" And I am clueless. Can anyone help? Thanks! Hilary ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2001 05:14:20 EST From: Frankelmick@aol.com Subject: Re: HEX8: Yet another question I can't answer Hilary, Just to echo what Ray said. The only connection I know of is Pa Gua Kung Fu. Here's a link for some books: http://www.pa-kua.com/Books/books.htm Regards, Mick ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 20:54:00 -0000 From: "Hilary Barrett" Subject: HEX8: thanks for the help Cross posting again. Just to say thank you very much for all the thoughtful responses on Wing Chun. I have forwarded them (properly attributed!) to the questioner, and I'll let you know if I hear from him again. Thanks for bailing me out ;-) Hilary ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 10:37:33 EST From: Frankelmick@aol.com Subject: HEX8: Fwd: Lecture in London - ------_Part_3c14d6bd-03ba-6cbc-010203040506 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I enjoyed last night's lecture at the Theosophical Society. I don't know if anyone else from Hex-8 made it along? The audience was a mixture of absolute beginners, interested newcomers and more experienced I Ching people. The lecturer, Sue, started from scratch and introduced the concepts of Yin and Yang building up to the Trigrams and Hexagrams. Nothing spectacular but she did have a medical viewpoint which was new to me. For example, she said that the 6 lines of each hexagram could be taken as, reading upwards, feet, calves, waist/thighs, abdomen, chest and head. She had several translations with her including a copy of "The Medical I Ching" (can't remember the author) which I'd never seen before. We only had about an hour and a half, so it was an enjoyable sprint through some familiar concepts, interrupted by all sorts of questions and finishing with a consultation. Sue asked the audience for a question to put to the I Ching and (surprise, surprise) someone came up with, "Will Osama Bin Laden be captured". We agreed to let each line represent a month, so that the answer covered the next 6 months. We got 56 changing line 1. Great answer to represent someone on the run from an apparently defenceless position, don't you think? There might a more advance talk planned for next year. Best wishes, Mick - ------_Part_3c14d6bd-03ba-6cbc-010203040506 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: From: Frankelmick@aol.com Full-name: Frankelmick Message-ID: <6d.1d904f61.2929449b@aol.com> Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 12:06:35 EST Subject: Lecture in London To: hexagram-8@apocalypse.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part2_a0.1ed5588f.2929449b_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows UK sub 58 - --part2_a0.1ed5588f.2929449b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Apologies to everyone not in London. I noticed that there's a lecture coming up entitled, "Unravelling the Yi=20 Jing" at the Theosophical Society, 50,Gloucester Place, W1 on Sunday 9th=20 December at 6:00. I don't know anything about the Theosophical Society or the presenter, Sue=20 Kalicinska but I thought I might attend the lecture and I wondered if anyon= e=20 else would be interested. Here's their web address: www.theosophical-society.org.uk Here's the description of the lecture copied from the website: "The Universe is in a constant state of transformation. Matter and energy=20 interchange continuously. Now light, now dark, the lines of the 64 hexagrams= =20 that comprise the Yi Jing mirror this transformation. This talk investigates= =20 how the ancient Chinese Book of Changes can be used to understand the=20 complexity of manifestation and unfold our spirituality in daily life. Sue=20 Kalicinska, has been a keen student of Yi Jing for nearly 20 years. She is a= n=20 acupuncturist and runs her multi-disciplinary clinic in Camberley. Admission= =20 =A34, =A33 concessions/Theosophical Society members. Society." =20 Best wishes, Mick - --part2_a0.1ed5588f.2929449b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Apologies to everyone not= in London.

I noticed that there's a lecture coming up entitled, "Unravelling the Yi= Jing" at the Theosophical Society, 50,Gloucester Place, W1 on Sunday 9th De= cember at 6:00.

I don't know anything about the Theosophical Society or the presenter, S= ue Kalicinska  but I thought I might attend the lecture and I wondered=20= if anyone else would be interested.

Here's their web address: www.theosophical-society.org.uk

Here's the description of the lecture copied from the website:
"The Universe is in a constant state of transformation. Matter and energ= y interchange continuously. Now light, now dark, the lines of the 64 hexagra= ms that comprise the Yi Jing mirror this transformation. This talk investiga= tes how the ancient Chinese Book of Changes can be used to understand the co= mplexity of manifestation and unfold our spirituality in daily life. = Sue Kalicinska, has been a keen student of Yi Jing for nearly 20 y= ears. She is an acupuncturist and runs her multi-disciplinary clinic in Camb= erley. Admission =A34, =A33 concessions/Theosophical Society members. Societ= y." =20

Best wishes,

Mick - --part2_a0.1ed5588f.2929449b_boundary-- - ------_Part_3c14d6bd-03ba-6cbc-010203040506-- ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 08:46:24 EST From: Frankelmick@aol.com Subject: HEX8: I Ching Master Hope everyone is having a nice Winter break. Today I came across Master Alfred Huang's website: http://www.ichingmaster.net/ For those who don't know it, I'd say it's definitely worth a look. If only the "studies" section were complete, then it would be a really great site. Any thoughts anyone? I also discovered that Master Huang was scheduled to visit Europe last Summer for a conference in Zurich amongst other things. I'd have loved to have gone, did anyone on this list attend his workshops? Regards and best wishes for 2002, Mick ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 00:10:19 -0500 From: "Dr R. Butler" Subject: HEX8: South Pole Aloha All, I just returned from the South Pole, and would like to share two experiences with you. First, leaving Christchurch New Zealand for Antarctica, my boarding pass number for the flight was #46, "Departure toward the South brings Good Fortune." A welcome coincidence! In such a unique place I decided to ask the Yi about the South Pole. Concentrating on the "South Pole" I walked from the Dome of the South Pole Station to the geographic marker at the Pole. I used three US pennies, and setting them on the top of the marker which sits on a pole about three feet above the ice, thought about the South Pole standing at the Pole, and flicked the pennies to the ice. They landed flat, and I wrote the line on a piece of paper, using the marker as a flat surface. My pen froze. It was about -37F. I picked up the coins, thought about the South Pole again and tosssed them on the marker again, where they fell to the ice. This time I wrote the line using the frozen pen to indent the paper. Four more times I repeated the thought and tossed the coins. - --- - --- - --- - - - - --- - --- #10, no moving Lines Journeying and Returning, W/B: TREADING(Conduct) The Judgement Treading upon the tail of the tiger. It does not bite the man. Success. Standing there in my extreme cold weather gear, I found this humorous and insightful. If the Tiger were the Earth, indeed I was treading on the Tail and not bitten, frostbitten or otherwise! In the symbolism of Trigrams, above is the cold blue sky of the Heaven, and below my feet about 2 miles of ice, the Lake frozen. In my own translation of #10, Journeying and Returning, the South Pole captures this essence. The Journey is an adventure itself. It is not a place to put down roots and live, rather, one returns northward. From the W/B perspective, treading has quite overt symbolism. In every walking moment at the South Pole, the distinctive and loud crunch of one's bootstep in the brittle, dry snow is a constant presence speaking aloud in conversation. Without any preconceived notion, the Yi's image of the treading on the Tiger's tail, journeying to the end of the Earth and Returning seems quite appropriate. In such a place, caution, respect, and preparation (and awe) for the Tiger lead to success. Not bitten, the beauty is overwhelming. Hexagram #10 will always contain this image for me. Snowy tiger smiles As the Earth silently spins Blue sky, frozen lake All the best, Rhett ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 21:52:50 +0400 From: "Nakashidze" Subject: Re: HEX8: South Pole Dear Rhett Thank you very much for your interesting experience. By the way I want to congratulate you and all members of our list with the New Year of Black Horse. "The powerful prince is honored with horses in large numbers." All the best Timur - -----Original Message----- From: Dr R. Butler To: ; ; Date: Friday, February 15, 2002 9:13 AM Subject: HEX8: South Pole > >Aloha All, > >I just returned from the South Pole, and would like to share two >experiences with you. > >First, leaving Christchurch New Zealand for Antarctica, my boarding pass >number for the flight was #46, "Departure toward the South brings Good >Fortune." A welcome coincidence! > >In such a unique place I decided to ask the Yi about the South Pole. > >Concentrating on the "South Pole" I walked from the Dome of the South Pole >Station to the geographic marker at the Pole. I used three US pennies, and >setting them on the top of the marker which sits on a pole about three feet >above the ice, thought about the South Pole standing at the Pole, and >flicked the pennies to the ice. They landed flat, and I wrote the line on >a piece of paper, using the marker as a flat surface. > >My pen froze. It was about -37F. I picked up the coins, thought about the >South Pole again and tosssed them on the marker again, where they fell to >the ice. This time I wrote the line using the frozen pen to indent the >paper. Four more times I repeated the thought and tossed the coins. > > > >--- >--- >--- >- - >--- >--- > > >#10, no moving Lines > >Journeying and Returning, > >W/B: TREADING(Conduct) > >The Judgement > >Treading upon the tail of the tiger. >It does not bite the man. Success. > > >Standing there in my extreme cold weather gear, I found this humorous and >insightful. If the Tiger were the Earth, indeed I was treading on the Tail >and not bitten, frostbitten or otherwise! > >In the symbolism of Trigrams, above is the cold blue sky of the Heaven, and >below my feet about 2 miles of ice, the Lake frozen. > >In my own translation of #10, Journeying and Returning, the South Pole >captures this essence. The Journey is an adventure itself. It is not a >place to put down roots and live, rather, one returns northward. From the >W/B perspective, treading has quite overt symbolism. In every walking >moment at the South Pole, the distinctive and loud crunch of one's bootstep >in the brittle, dry snow is a constant presence speaking aloud in >conversation. > >Without any preconceived notion, the Yi's image of the treading on the >Tiger's tail, journeying to the end of the Earth and Returning seems quite >appropriate. In such a place, caution, respect, and preparation (and awe) >for the Tiger lead to success. Not bitten, the beauty is overwhelming. >Hexagram #10 will always contain this image for me. > > > Snowy tiger smiles > As the Earth silently spins > Blue sky, frozen lake > > >All the best, > >Rhett > > > > >===== >To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org >from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. > ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 17:14:53 EST From: Frankelmick@aol.com Subject: HEX8: Lester Bangs - --part1_a0.2243ce9c.29a1855d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello everyone, Apologies if I ramble on a bit but I recently finished reading "Let It Blurt: The Life And Times Of Lester Bangs" by Jim DeRogatis. (Lester Bangs was a music critic, arguably the man who invented rock journalism as we know it). Anyway, as I was reading the first few pages it struck me that the events on some of the pages seemed to correspond to the hexagram given by the page number. For example, page 7 has reference to the Army, page 8 talks about the family finding a friendly community, page 23 describes Lester's disdain for authority "breaking up" the entire class, page 24 describes the turning point in his early life and so on. Now I would have dismissed all this as coincidence and my overactive imagination were it not for this quote from Lester on page 37: "As was my wont at the time, I threw the I Ching to find out which drug I should take." I was startled but then I thought, "Well perhaps I'd unconsciously noticed the reference to the I Ching and that made me notice the chance references." Then I thought again. The I Ching is not mentioned anywhere else in the book so I started to look at how hx 37 might represent the I Ching. I remembered a reading where Hilary had asked about the difference between the I Ching and dream interpretation and received the answer hx 37 (changing to hx 63 if I remember rightly?). At the time I suggested that perhaps hx 37 was a reference to the family of trigrams? Has anyone else got any thoughts about hx 37? And has anyone else had a similar experience reading a book which they thought had nothing to do with the I Ching? Best wishes, Mick http://www.north-node.com/ - --part1_a0.2243ce9c.29a1855d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello everyone,

Apologies if I ramble on a bit but I recently finished reading "Let It Blurt: The Life And Times Of Lester Bangs" by Jim DeRogatis.

(Lester Bangs was a music critic, arguably the man who invented rock journalism as we know it).

Anyway, as I was reading the first few pages it struck me that the events on some of the pages seemed to correspond to the hexagram given by the page number. For example, page 7 has reference to the Army, page 8 talks about the family finding a friendly community, page 23 describes Lester's disdain for authority "breaking up" the entire class,  page 24 describes the turning point in his early life and so on.

Now I would have dismissed all this as coincidence and my overactive imagination were it not for this quote from Lester on page 37:

"As was my wont at the time, I threw the I Ching to find out which drug I should take."

I was startled but then I thought, "Well perhaps I'd unconsciously noticed the reference to the I Ching and that made me notice the chance references."

Then I thought again. The I Ching is not mentioned anywhere else in the book so I started to look at how hx 37 might represent the I Ching.

I remembered a reading where Hilary had asked about the difference between the I Ching and dream interpretation and received the answer hx 37 (changing to hx 63 if I remember rightly?).

At the time I suggested that perhaps hx 37 was a reference to the family of trigrams?

Has anyone else got any thoughts about hx 37? And has anyone else had a similar experience reading a book which they thought had nothing to do with the I Ching?

Best wishes,

Mick
http://www.north-node.com/ - --part1_a0.2243ce9c.29a1855d_boundary-- ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 21:25:10 -0800 From: Bradford Hatcher Subject: HEX8: Yijing in Big5 & Pinyin Hi everybody- As some of you may know, there seems to be only one internet Chinese version of the Yijing circulating the web in various forms - the one entered by Wang Minghui and found on sites like these: http://www.chinapage.com/classic/iching/iching.html#12 http://ww1.cnd.org/BIG5/Classics/Philosophers/I_Ching/ http://www.pale.org/ching/index.html http://www.polyu.edu.hk/~itsamuel/I_Ching_b5.html and also this version of the Da Xiang: http://socrates.berkeley.edu/%7Erscook/html/DX-about.html Unfortunately, it seems nobody has taken the time to correct the errors in this text, and there are literally hundreds of them- in characters, words, Pinyin spelling, Pinyin tones, parsing and lots of simple lacunae unaccompanied by the Pinyin countrpart. Also, unfortunately, waiting hasn't accomplished anything, so I've begun to undertake this task myself. I'm about two or three weeks from completing the job, and maybe six months to a year away from posting it to my new website (not online yet). I thought I'd post this here to see a) if anyone had the same idea, or 2) if anyone had an interest in seeing the draft version ahead of this more public posting. Any interest? Brad bradford@independence.net ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 08:16:40 +0100 From: "Harmen Mesker \(ITCN\)" Subject: HEX8: Re: Yijing in Big5 & Pinyin This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C1BD0B.9643CC00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Bradford, You could check these sites for other Chinese version of the text: http://home.i-cable.com/yourwrite/classical/yijing/yij-index.html (not = complete yet) http://www.yohonet.com.tw/index1/fourt1/easy4.html http://home.netvigator.com/~zhouyi/zzz.htm http://www.people.fas.harvard.edu/~yfeng//confucian/zhuzuo/zhouyi/zhouyis= huoming.htm http://www.yaintech.com/pohwong/new_page_42.htm I hope this helps. Best, Harmen. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bradford Hatcher" To: Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 6:25 AM Subject: HEX8: Yijing in Big5 & Pinyin > Hi everybody- > > As some of you may know, there seems to be only one internet Chinese > version of the Yijing circulating the web in various forms - the one > entered by Wang Minghui and found on sites like these: > > http://www.chinapage.com/classic/iching/iching.html#12 > http://ww1.cnd.org/BIG5/Classics/Philosophers/I_Ching/ > http://www.pale.org/ching/index.html > http://www.polyu.edu.hk/~itsamuel/I_Ching_b5.html > > and also this version of the Da Xiang: > > http://socrates.berkeley.edu/%7Erscook/html/DX-about.html > > Unfortunately, it seems nobody has taken the time to correct the = errors > in this text, and there are literally hundreds of them- in characters, > words, Pinyin spelling, Pinyin tones, parsing and lots of simple = lacunae > unaccompanied by the Pinyin countrpart. > Also, unfortunately, waiting hasn't accomplished anything, so I've > begun to undertake this task myself. I'm about two or three weeks = from > completing the job, and maybe six months to a year away from posting = it > to my new website (not online yet). > I thought I'd post this here to see a) if anyone had the same idea, or > 2) if anyone had an interest in seeing the draft version ahead of this > more public posting. > Any interest? > Brad > bradford@independence.net > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to = majordomo@apocalypse.org > from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. > - ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C1BD0B.9643CC00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Bradford,

You could check = these sites=20 for other Chinese version of the text:

http://home.i-cable.com/yourwrite/classical/yijing/yij-index.htm= l (not complete yet)
http://www.yohonet.com.tw/index1/fourt1/easy4.htmlhttp://home.netvigator.com/~zhouyi/zzz.htm
http://www.people.fas.harvard.edu/~yfeng//confucian/= zhuzuo/zhouyi/zhouyishuoming.htm
http://www.yaintech.com/pohwong/new_page_42.htm
I hope this = helps.

Best,

Harmen.

-----=20 Original Message -----
From: "Bradford Hatcher" <bradford@independence.net>
To:=20 <hexagram-8@apocalypse.org>
Sent:=20 Friday, February 22, 2002 6:25 AM
Subject: HEX8: Yijing in Big5 & = Pinyin


> Hi everybody-
>
> As some of you may = know,=20 there seems to be only one internet Chinese
> version of the = Yijing=20 circulating the web in various forms - the one
> entered by Wang = Minghui=20 and found on sites like these:
>
> http://www.chinapage.com/classic/iching/iching.html#12
> http://ww1.cnd.org/BIG5/Classics/Philosophers/I_Ching/
> http://www.pale.org/ching/index.html
> http://www.polyu.edu.hk/~itsamuel/I_Ching_b5.html
= >
> and also this version of the Da=20 Xiang:
>
> http://socrates.berkeley.edu/%7Erscook/html/DX-about.html=
>
> Unfortunately, it seems nobody has = taken the time=20 to correct the errors
> in this text, and there are literally = hundreds of=20 them- in characters,
> words, Pinyin spelling, Pinyin tones, = parsing and=20 lots of simple lacunae
> unaccompanied by the Pinyin = countrpart.
>=20 Also, unfortunately, waiting hasn't accomplished anything, so = I've
> begun=20 to undertake this task myself.  I'm about two or three weeks = from
>=20 completing the job, and maybe six months to a year away from posting = it
>=20 to my new website (not online yet).
> I thought I'd post this here = to see=20 a) if anyone had the same idea, or
> 2) if anyone had an interest = in=20 seeing the draft version ahead of this
> more public = posting.
> Any=20 interest?
> Brad
> bradford@independence.net
>
>
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
> To unsubscribe = from Hexagram-8, send a=20 message to majordomo@apocalypse.org

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