From owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org Wed Aug 1 14:34:41 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by apocalypse.org (8.11.2/8.11.0) id f71IYfL22488 for hexagram-8-outgoing; Wed, 1 Aug 2001 14:34:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: apocalypse.org: majordom set sender to owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org using -f Received: from smtp04.wxs.nl (smtp04.wxs.nl [195.121.6.59]) by apocalypse.org (8.11.2/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f71IYdB22476 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2001 14:34:40 -0400 Received: from heybo002 ([195.121.114.113]) by smtp04.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 4.05) with SMTP id GHEJLK01.Q4J for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2001 20:34:32 +0200 Message-ID: <000901c11ab8$a20f4960$717279c3@heybo002> From: "LiSe" To: "hexagram-8 @apocalypse.org" Subject: HEX8: Hexagram August 1-2 Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 20:34:23 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: hexagram-8@apocalypse.org August 1 04.14 GMT until August 2 05.17 GMT Hex.12.3 August 2 05.17 GMT until August 3 06.19 GMT : Hex.13.3 Hiding away arms in the thickets. Ascending a high mound. Three years not rising (up again). (With human rules life becomes extremely complicated. Never knowing when one can rely on them, one has to develop suspicion and fear. Put your trust in universal rules, they will support and protect you. It is the only base for a loving, trusting and playful life with others. ) Sabian Symbol: Children on a swing in a huge oak tree (You have a place in the overall scheme of things) ° Changing to 25.3 The disaster of innocence. Someone binds his cow, road-people's gain, town people's disaster. (Who relies too much on rules and laws reckons too little with the unexpected. Rules are man-made, nature often does not heed them. The one with a free mind, looking after himself and able to assess risks, is seldom struck by mishap. But often pleasantly surprised by a slice of good luck. ) Sabian Symbol: A bareback rider (Some learn to ride on a horse, others learn to ride on a saddle) (Time is given for Greenwich Main Time. For USA subtract appr. 6 hours (11 AM will be 5 AM), for China add appr. 8 hours, for Australia add appr. 9 hours (the difference between your local clock-time and GMT). Given times are NOT exact, they may err some in either direction. I do not know if the most important hexagram for the day is the one of midnight, or the one of sunrise, or two hexagrams: before and after the given time) LiSe Yi Jing, Book of the Moon www.anton-heyboer.org postmaster@aheyboer.com ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. From owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org Thu Aug 2 15:21:27 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by apocalypse.org (8.11.2/8.11.0) id f72JLRw23096 for hexagram-8-outgoing; Thu, 2 Aug 2001 15:21:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: apocalypse.org: majordom set sender to owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org using -f Received: from smtp05.wxs.nl (smtp05.wxs.nl [195.121.6.57]) by apocalypse.org (8.11.2/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f72JLPB23091 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2001 15:21:26 -0400 Received: from heybo002 ([195.121.114.156]) by smtp05.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 4.05) with SMTP id GHGGFH03.SB2 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2001 21:21:17 +0200 Message-ID: <000901c11b88$55c8a6c0$9c7279c3@heybo002> From: "LiSe" To: "hexagram-8 @apocalypse.org" Subject: HEX8: Hexagram August 2-3 Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 21:20:57 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: hexagram-8@apocalypse.org August 2 05.17 GMT until August 3 06.19 GMT Hex.13.3 August 3 06.19 GMT until August 4 07.22 GMT: Hex.14.3 A Gong sacrifices to the Son of Heaven. Small people are not able to. (Give in a way that accords with your ability to give. Too much and too little are both wrong. But make your gift warm and sincere, don't use it for showing how great you are yourself. ) Sabian Symbol: An evening lawn party (One gives a party for all, one makes a show for oneself.) ° Changing to 38.3 Seeing the cart dragged, one's oxen pulled, one's people with bent head and cut off nose. Without a beginning, there is an end. (All people are different. One can make an issue of it, a straight discussion, and in the end someone will be injured. One can make a light-hearted repartee and it will be a mutual pleasure. The same starting point, but the outcome depends on the road one chooses, the one of wanting to be right, or the other one of exchange. ) Sabian Symbol: A merry-go-round (More fun on roads without goals) (Time is given for Greenwich Main Time. For USA subtract appr. 6 hours (11 AM will be 5 AM), for China add appr. 8 hours, for Australia add appr. 9 hours (the difference between your local clock-time and GMT). Given times are NOT exact, they may err some in either direction. I do not know if the most important hexagram for the day is the one of midnight, or the one of sunrise, or two hexagrams: before and after the given time) LiSe Yi Jing, Book of the Moon www.anton-heyboer.org postmaster@aheyboer.com ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. From owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org Fri Aug 3 13:55:37 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by apocalypse.org (8.11.2/8.11.0) id f73HtbU17236 for hexagram-8-outgoing; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 13:55:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: apocalypse.org: majordom set sender to owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org using -f Received: from smtp05.wxs.nl (smtp05.wxs.nl [195.121.6.57]) by apocalypse.org (8.11.2/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f73HtYB17230 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 13:55:34 -0400 Received: from heybo002 ([195.121.114.128]) by smtp05.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 4.05) with SMTP id GHI74G01.UA8 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 19:55:28 +0200 Message-ID: <000b01c11c45$83d0b9a0$807279c3@heybo002> From: "LiSe" To: "hexagram-8 @apocalypse.org" Subject: HEX8: Hexagram August 3-4 Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 19:55:22 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: hexagram-8@apocalypse.org August 2 05.17 GMT until August 3 06.19 GMT Hex.13.3 August 3 06.19 GMT until August 4 07.22 GMT: Hex.15.3 Wearisome teamwords. A noble man brings to completion. Auspicious. (Do what you do, as good as you are. You don't have to strive for results or recognition. Just doing and being what you can does the job, it will attract results and people. Being what you are matters more than showing what you are.) Sabian Symbol: An old sea captain rocking (Nothing changed, he is still doing what he always did.) ° Changing to 2.3 Harboring qualities permits determination. If one follows king's affairs, without achieving, he completes. (One's inner pattern decides what one accomplishes. Honor is of no use, dedication does the job. Act as if it is for a king, not for a goal: the value is in the doing.) (Time is given for Greenwich Main Time. For USA subtract appr. 6 hours (11 AM will be 5 AM), for China add appr. 8 hours, for Australia add appr. 9 hours (the difference between your local clock-time and GMT). Given times are NOT exact, they may err some in either direction. I do not know if the most important hexagram for the day is the one of midnight, or the one of sunrise, or two hexagrams: before and after the given time) LiSe Yi Jing, Book of the Moon www.anton-heyboer.org postmaster@aheyboer.com ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. From owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org Sat Aug 4 12:20:20 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by apocalypse.org (8.11.2/8.11.0) id f74GKK702425 for hexagram-8-outgoing; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 12:20:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: apocalypse.org: majordom set sender to owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org using -f Received: from smtp01.wxs.nl (smtp01.wxs.nl [195.121.6.61]) by apocalypse.org (8.11.2/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f74GKIB02421 for ; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 12:20:18 -0400 Received: from heybo002 ([195.121.114.129]) by smtp01.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 4.05) with SMTP id GHJXDO02.A39 for ; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 18:20:12 +0200 Message-ID: <000901c11d01$5f1a0c80$817279c3@heybo002> From: "LiSe" To: "hexagram-8 @apocalypse.org" Subject: HEX8: Hexagram August 4-5 Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 18:20:06 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: hexagram-8@apocalypse.org Yesterday I made a mistake. It should have been like this: August 3 06.19 GMT until August 4 07.22 GMT: hex.14.3 August 4 07.22 GMT until August 5 08.24 GMT: hex.15.3 August 5 08.24 GMT until August 6 09.24 GMT: hex.16.3 Hex.16.3 Big-eyed passing on images: regret. Hesitation brings regret. (Wait for the right moment to act or react, for influencing or being influenced. Inspiration is not enough: actions need a base, borders, a form, and the right time and circumstances. And don't let the moment pass by.) Sabian Symbol: The human soul awaiting opportunity for expression (There is a lot in there, but open the right door at the right moment) Changing to 62.3 Do not exceed defending it. If you adhere to this, someone might injure you. Pitfall. (Do not defend your cause or ideals too much, in order not to provoke agression. Grand ideas have to fit in reality, if they don't, then do not cling to them. Their value is not how they sound, it is how they work.) Sabian Symbol: A false call unheard in attention to immediate service (The sieve of everyday reality has narrow holes ) (Time is given for Greenwich Main Time. For USA subtract appr. 6 hours (11 AM will be 5 AM), for China add appr. 8 hours, for Australia add appr. 9 hours (the difference between your local clock-time and GMT). Given times are NOT exact, they may err some in either direction. I do not know if the most important hexagram for the day is the one of midnight, or the one of sunrise, or two hexagrams: before and after the given time) LiSe Yi Jing, Book of the Moon www.anton-heyboer.org postmaster@aheyboer.com ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. From owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org Sun Aug 5 13:45:46 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by apocalypse.org (8.11.2/8.11.0) id f75Hjk622506 for hexagram-8-outgoing; Sun, 5 Aug 2001 13:45:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: apocalypse.org: majordom set sender to owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org using -f Received: from smtp01.wxs.nl (smtp01.wxs.nl [195.121.6.61]) by apocalypse.org (8.11.2/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f75HjiB22500 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2001 13:45:44 -0400 Received: from heybo002 ([195.121.114.220]) by smtp01.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 4.05) with SMTP id GHLW0201.M24 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2001 19:45:38 +0200 Message-ID: <000901c11dd6$78d64640$dc7279c3@heybo002> From: "LiSe" To: "hexagram-8 @apocalypse.org" Subject: HEX8: Hexagram August 5-6 Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 19:45:33 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: hexagram-8@apocalypse.org August 5 08.24 GMT until August 6 09.24 GMT: hex.16.3 August 6 09.24 GMT until August 7 10.24 GMT: Hex.17.3 Related to the big man, losing the small child. By following one obtains what one seeks. Harvest: determination about settling. (Follow what you see as big and valuable, and do not regret the small you have to leave behind. Dedication will reach its destination and find its fulfilment.) Sabian Symbol: A pageant (The second half consists of those who could not resist following) * Changing to 49.3 Demand (or effectuate) that things be set right: pitfall. Determination: danger. When talk of skinning has gone round three times, there is truth. (Too soon and too late is both wrong. Don't follow every rumor, but don't tally either. The moment one is sure, one can act, and only then one will find the real participants.) Sabian Symbol: A volcano in eruption. (Some animals seem to know beforehand) (Time is given for Greenwich Main Time. For USA subtract appr. 6 hours (11 AM will be 5 AM), for China add appr. 8 hours, for Australia add appr. 9 hours (the difference between your local clock-time and GMT). Given times are NOT exact, they may err some in either direction. I do not know if the most important hexagram for the day is the one of midnight, or the one of sunrise, or two hexagrams: before and after the given time) LiSe Yi Jing, Book of the Moon www.anton-heyboer.org postmaster@aheyboer.com ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. From owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org Sun Aug 5 19:49:55 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by apocalypse.org (8.11.2/8.11.0) id f75NntH04561 for hexagram-8-outgoing; Sun, 5 Aug 2001 19:49:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: apocalypse.org: majordom set sender to owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org using -f Received: from femail5.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail5.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.85]) by apocalypse.org (8.11.2/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f75NnrB04557 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2001 19:49:54 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.11] ([65.14.167.38]) by femail5.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20010805234947.WKJS24816.femail5.sdc1.sfba.home.com@[192.168.0.11]> for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2001 16:49:47 -0700 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000901c11dd6$78d64640$dc7279c3@heybo002> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 19:48:02 -0400 To: hexagram-8@apocalypse.org From: "Dr R. Butler" Subject: Re: HEX8: Hexagram August 5-6 Sender: owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: hexagram-8@apocalypse.org Hi LiSe, I have just returned from long travels away from email and find your daily hexagrams infusing some life in the quiet Yi corner of e-land. How does one relate to these daily thoughts? Are they for everyone on the planet? I remember some discussion of Sabian symbols, but do not remember their context in relation to the Yi. All the best, Rhett >August 5 08.24 GMT until August 6 09.24 GMT: hex.16.3 >August 6 09.24 GMT until August 7 10.24 GMT: > > >Hex.17.3 Related to the big man, losing the small child. By following one >obtains what one seeks. Harvest: determination about settling. >(Follow what you see as big and valuable, and do not regret the small you >have to leave behind. Dedication will reach its destination and find its >fulfilment.) > >Sabian Symbol: A pageant >(The second half consists of those who could not resist following) >* >Changing to 49.3 Demand (or effectuate) that things be set right: pitfall. >Determination: danger. When talk of skinning has gone round three times, >there is truth. >(Too soon and too late is both wrong. Don't follow every rumor, but don't >tally either. The moment one is sure, one can act, and only then one will >find the real participants.) > >Sabian Symbol: A volcano in eruption. >(Some animals seem to know beforehand) > >(Time is given for Greenwich Main Time. For USA subtract appr. 6 hours (11 >AM will be 5 AM), for China add appr. 8 hours, for Australia add appr. 9 >hours (the difference between your local clock-time and GMT). Given times >are NOT exact, they may err some in either direction. I do not know if the >most important hexagram for the day is the one of midnight, or the one of >sunrise, or two hexagrams: before and after the given time) > >LiSe >Yi Jing, Book of the Moon >www.anton-heyboer.org >postmaster@aheyboer.com > > > >===== >To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org >from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. From owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org Mon Aug 6 14:17:42 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by apocalypse.org (8.11.2/8.11.0) id f76IHgF17439 for hexagram-8-outgoing; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 14:17:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: apocalypse.org: majordom set sender to owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org using -f Received: from smtp05.wxs.nl (smtp05.wxs.nl [195.121.6.57]) by apocalypse.org (8.11.2/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f76IHeB17434 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 14:17:41 -0400 Received: from heybo002 ([195.121.114.8]) by smtp05.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 4.05) with SMTP id GHNS5A03.LNS for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 20:17:34 +0200 Message-ID: <000901c11ea4$1a4cdfc0$087279c3@heybo002> From: "LiSe" To: "hexagram-8 @apocalypse.org" Subject: HEX8: Hexagram August 6-7 Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 20:17:31 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: hexagram-8@apocalypse.org August 6 09.24 GMT until August 7 10.24 GMT: hex.17.3 August 7 10.24 GMT until August 8 11.24 GMT: hex.18.3 Hex.18.3 Ramming against the father's decay. There is some regret. Without big fault. (Fighting decay and weakness will only succeed if one exaggerates a bit. Straightening something bent needs a little bending in the other direction.) Sabian Symbol: Sunshine just after a storm (Never seen a brighter world) ° Changing to 4.3 No benefit of taking a woman who, when she sees a rich man, loses control of herself. No ground for harvest. (Imitating slavishly or running after urges causes loss of one's own character and dignity.) Sabian Symbol: An epidemic of mumps (Getting infected means losing one's face) (Time is given for Greenwich Main Time. For USA subtract appr. 6 hours (11 AM will be 5 AM), for China add appr. 8 hours, for Australia add appr. 9 hours (the difference between your local clock-time and GMT). Given times are NOT exact, they may err some in either direction. I do not know if the most important hexagram for the day is the one of midnight, or the one of sunrise, or two hexagrams: before and after the given time) LiSe Yi Jing, Book of the Moon www.anton-heyboer.org postmaster@aheyboer.com ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. From owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org Mon Aug 6 14:39:14 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by apocalypse.org (8.11.2/8.11.0) id f76IdEj18832 for hexagram-8-outgoing; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 14:39:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: apocalypse.org: majordom set sender to owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org using -f Received: from smtp05.wxs.nl (smtp05.wxs.nl [195.121.6.57]) by apocalypse.org (8.11.2/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f76IdDB18828 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 14:39:13 -0400 Received: from heybo002 ([195.121.114.174]) by smtp05.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 4.05) with SMTP id GHNT5604.VJF for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 20:39:06 +0200 Message-ID: <001501c11ea7$1cb23fa0$087279c3@heybo002> From: "LiSe" To: References: Subject: Re: HEX8: Hexagram August 5-6 and Sabian Symbols Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 20:39:02 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: hexagram-8@apocalypse.org I copied the page of my website about the Sabian Symbols and how I started to work with them. I hope the mail is not too long, but since there are not really many mails around, I guess it is no problem. I always liked this list, but it was veeery silent lately, so I decided to recieve at least one mail a day ... They are indeed for everyone on the planet, but times can vary considerably, so sometimes for America the day starts with the next hexagram compared to China. My own experience so far is, that they indicate more or less a sequence of days. One hex is not exactly matching for one day, but after two or three days they have a common feeling which does fit with the hexagram-lines. I always saw around me that there was truth in astrology. Summer people are definitely different from winter people, just to name the most obvious one. It aroused my interest in the structure of astrology. When I got to know the Yi better, I recognized a similarity between the astrological signs and the lines of the hexagrams. The bottom line is 'beginning' and 'action', just like Aries. The second line is the relation to others, like Gemini. And so on. About the bottom and top line is said that they are outside the world, like the astrological signs just before and after spring solstice: Aquarius, Pisces, Aries and Taurus. These signs act from out the self, whereas the autumn signs are rather the 'partner'-signs. In the circle of the houses this is very visible. The houses at the East are the self, the opposite houses - corresponding with lines 3 and 4 - the other. But the Yi had 384 lines, and the 12 signs had only 360 degrees. Or 365 days of the year. It looked very much alike - but not quite right. Then I realized that one could not combine a degree of the zodiac or a day of the year with a line of hex.1 or 2. No birthday could ever be pure yang or pure yin. But then there were still 2 hexagrams too much. I came across a book by Han Boering. He says that the sentence 'Thereupon they (the trigrams) are doubled' (Wilhelm-Baines p.325) does not mean putting two of them on top of each other, but doubling every single line of one trigram. In a trigram one cannot tell if a line is young or old yang, but when they are doubled, one can make a difference. Two closed lines is old yang, an open and a closed one is young yang. Which one of those two is situated above is not certain. According to Boering, in the first edition of Wilhelm, the open line below the closed one is young yin. In later editions a fault had crept in: young yang and yin were switched. In books of Chinese origin there is no consistence, some say closed below, others closed above. So there is no real certainty. This means that hex. 63 and 64 are pure yang and pure yin too, but in this case young yang and young yin. Now I had 60 hexagrams left over - and 360 lines. And then - which degree with every single line? I thought that the sequence of the Yi might not be random. Maybe it had begun its existence based on the moon-months. Each one 29 or 30 days, and always alternating yang and yin of the same element (or 'moving'). I decided to simply put the degrees and the lines together, both in their own sequence. There exist several series of 360 images for the degrees of the zodiac. I had three of them, but only of two the sequence was certain. The other one had been shuffled around to match the ideas of the astrologer who found and revised it. So I tried those two. One, by Charubel (or John Thomas) did match poorly. But the other one, the Sabian Symbols, by Elsie Wheeler and writer Marc Edmund Jones, seemed to fit more or less. Some lines and images did indeed go together wonderfully. But many other combinations did not make any sense. These zodiacal images are devised by clear-sightedness. I am always a bit wary of that. For every serious and genuine manifestation of it, there exist innumerable worthless ones. But I don't reject it completely. Maybe it has never been proved as true, but the contrary has also never been proved. The Sabian Society has a beautiful website at www.sabian.org With material on Marc Edmund Jones, the Sabian Symbols, a database with 30.000 nativities. And more. Aries 1 goes together with hex.3 bottom line, Aries 2 with hex.4 bottom line, Aries 3 with hex.5 bottom line, and so on. Taurus 1 with hex.33 bottom line. And then Gemini 1 with hex.3 line 2, Gemini 2 with hex.4 line 2. LiSe Yi Jing, Book of the Moon www.anton-heyboer.org postmaster@aheyboer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dr R. Butler" To: Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 1:48 AM Subject: Re: HEX8: Hexagram August 5-6 > Hi LiSe, > > I have just returned from long travels away from email and find your daily > hexagrams infusing some life in the quiet Yi corner of e-land. > > How does one relate to these daily thoughts? Are they for everyone on the > planet? I remember some discussion of Sabian symbols, but do not remember > their context in relation to the Yi. > > All the best, > > Rhett . ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. From owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org Mon Aug 6 18:03:33 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by apocalypse.org (8.11.2/8.11.0) id f76M3Xc31747 for hexagram-8-outgoing; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 18:03:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: apocalypse.org: majordom set sender to owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org using -f Received: from femail24.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail24.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.149]) by apocalypse.org (8.11.2/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f76M3VB31742 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 18:03:32 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.11] ([65.14.167.38]) by femail24.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20010806220322.VZAW24642.femail24.sdc1.sfba.home.com@[192.168.0.11]> for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 15:03:22 -0700 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001501c11ea7$1cb23fa0$087279c3@heybo002> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 18:02:38 -0400 To: hexagram-8@apocalypse.org From: "Dr R. Butler" Subject: Re: HEX8: Hexagram August 5-6 and Sabian Symbols Sender: owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: hexagram-8@apocalypse.org Thanks, LiSe, I do not know if I understand what you are saying, so I will watch the Hexagrams that you send and see if I see correspondence around me. All the best, Rhett >I copied the page of my website about the Sabian Symbols and how I started >to work with them. I hope the mail is not too long, but since there are not >really many mails around, I guess it is no problem. > >I always liked this list, but it was veeery silent lately, so I decided to >recieve at least one mail a day ... > >They are indeed for everyone on the planet, but times can vary considerably, >so sometimes for America the day starts with the next hexagram compared to >China. >My own experience so far is, that they indicate more or less a sequence of >days. One hex is not exactly matching for one day, but after two or three >days they have a common feeling which does fit with the hexagram-lines. > > > I always saw around me that there was truth in astrology. Summer people >are definitely different from winter people, just to name the most obvious >one. It aroused my interest in the structure of astrology. > When I got to know the Yi better, I recognized a similarity between the >astrological signs and the lines of the hexagrams. The bottom line is >'beginning' and 'action', just like Aries. The second line is the relation >to others, like Gemini. And so on. About the bottom and top line is said >that they are outside the world, like the astrological signs just before and >after spring solstice: Aquarius, Pisces, Aries and Taurus. These signs act >from out the self, whereas the autumn signs are rather the 'partner'-signs. >In the circle of the houses this is very visible. The houses at the East are >the self, the opposite houses - corresponding with lines 3 and 4 - the >other. > > But the Yi had 384 lines, and the 12 signs had only 360 degrees. Or 365 >days of the year. It looked very much alike - but not quite right. > Then I realized that one could not combine a degree of the zodiac or a day >of the year with a line of hex.1 or 2. No birthday could ever be pure yang >or pure yin. But then there were still 2 hexagrams too much. > > I came across a book by Han Boering. He says that the sentence 'Thereupon >they (the trigrams) are doubled' (Wilhelm-Baines p.325) does not mean >putting two of them on top of each other, but doubling every single line of >one trigram. In a trigram one cannot tell if a line is young or old yang, >but when they are doubled, one can make a difference. Two closed lines is >old yang, an open and a closed one is young yang. Which one of those two is >situated above is not certain. According to Boering, in the first edition of >Wilhelm, the open line below the closed one is young yin. In later editions >a fault had crept in: young yang and yin were switched. In books of Chinese >origin there is no consistence, some say closed below, others closed above. >So there is no real certainty. > This means that hex. 63 and 64 are pure yang and pure yin too, but in >this case young yang and young yin. Now I had 60 hexagrams left over - and >360 lines. > > And then - which degree with every single line? I thought that the >sequence of the Yi might not be random. Maybe it had begun its existence >based on the moon-months. Each one 29 or 30 days, and always alternating >yang and yin of the same element (or 'moving'). I decided to simply put the >degrees and the lines together, both in their own sequence. > > There exist several series of 360 images for the degrees of the zodiac. I >had three of them, but only of two the sequence was certain. The other one >had been shuffled around to match the ideas of the astrologer who found and >revised it. So I tried those two. One, by Charubel (or John Thomas) did >match poorly. But the other one, the Sabian Symbols, by Elsie Wheeler and >writer Marc Edmund Jones, seemed to fit more or less. Some lines and images >did indeed go together wonderfully. But many other combinations did not make >any sense. > > These zodiacal images are devised by clear-sightedness. I am always a bit >wary of that. For every serious and genuine manifestation of it, there exist >innumerable worthless ones. But I don't reject it completely. Maybe it has >never been proved as true, but the contrary has also never been proved. The >Sabian Society has a beautiful website at www.sabian.org With material on >Marc Edmund Jones, the Sabian Symbols, a database with 30.000 nativities. >And more. > > Aries 1 goes together with hex.3 bottom line, Aries 2 with hex.4 bottom >line, Aries 3 with hex.5 bottom line, and so on. Taurus 1 with hex.33 bottom >line. And then Gemini 1 with hex.3 line 2, Gemini 2 with hex.4 line 2. > >LiSe >Yi Jing, Book of the Moon >www.anton-heyboer.org >postmaster@aheyboer.com >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Dr R. Butler" >To: >Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 1:48 AM >Subject: Re: HEX8: Hexagram August 5-6 > > >> Hi LiSe, >> >> I have just returned from long travels away from email and find your daily >> hexagrams infusing some life in the quiet Yi corner of e-land. >> >> How does one relate to these daily thoughts? Are they for everyone on the >> planet? I remember some discussion of Sabian symbols, but do not remember >> their context in relation to the Yi. >> >> All the best, >> >> Rhett >. > > > >===== >To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org >from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. From owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org Mon Aug 6 20:43:03 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by apocalypse.org (8.11.2/8.11.0) id f770h3m08261 for hexagram-8-outgoing; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 20:43:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: apocalypse.org: majordom set sender to owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org using -f Received: from imo-m05.mx.aol.com (imo-m05.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.8]) by apocalypse.org (8.11.2/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f770h1B08257 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 20:43:01 -0400 Received: from FKegan@aol.com by imo-m05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31.9.) id h.113.2bd4591 (4561) for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 20:42:50 -0400 (EDT) From: FKegan@aol.com Message-ID: <113.2bd4591.28a0938a@aol.com> Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 20:42:50 EDT Subject: Re: HEX8: Hexagram August 5-6 and Sabian Symbols To: hexagram-8@apocalypse.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 113 Sender: owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: hexagram-8@apocalypse.org Hi Rhett and LiSe, I also find the correspondence between the days and the oracles and then the Sabian Symbols difficult to follow. In my research, I also came to using the 60 hexagrams 3-62 to correspond to the Zodiac and thus to the Sabian Symbols. However, I work with each set as marking off a sequence around the circle, 1 Aries to 30 Pisces and hex 3 line 1, then line 2 etc, then hex 3 line 6 and hex 4 line 1 completing the circle at hex 62 line 6. I use the Euclidean axiom that all circles are similar to relate the two circles as similar systems. What remains is what hexagram line 1 relates to 1 Aries. Since hexagrams grow up from the ground, I took hexagram 3, referring incidentally to the thunder emerging from the ground and the sprout emerging from the ground to relate to the bottom most point on the circle, like midnight in an analog 24 hour clock. In astrology, the point of measurement is the eastern horizon, the most left point, like the rising sun at dawn. This would relate 1 Aries to hex 48 line one, and hex 3 line one to 1 Cancer. I also relate these cyclic systems to Pythagorean patterns, such as the one to six on the dice cube to the 6 lines of the hexagram. The result is a correspondence of the Sabian Symbols to the lines of the hexagrams 3-62. At times the exactness is quite simple, other times very striking, and other times, it takes a very thorough analysis of the internal structure and geometry of each place, not just the words of the poetry. However, in due course, the Sabian Symbols, the I Ching and the Pythagorean systems all mesh quite exactly. Frank Kegan ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. From owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org Tue Aug 7 13:27:28 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by apocalypse.org (8.11.2/8.11.0) id f77HRSK12187 for hexagram-8-outgoing; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 13:27:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: apocalypse.org: majordom set sender to owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org using -f Received: from smtp01.wxs.nl (smtp01.wxs.nl [195.121.6.61]) by apocalypse.org (8.11.2/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f77HRQB12179 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 13:27:26 -0400 Received: from heybo002 ([195.121.114.89]) by smtp01.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 4.05) with SMTP id GHPKHI03.4OW for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 19:27:18 +0200 Message-ID: <000901c11f66$3f2996e0$597279c3@heybo002> From: "LiSe" To: "hexagram-8 @apocalypse.org" Subject: HEX8: Hexagram August 7-8 Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 19:26:37 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: hexagram-8@apocalypse.org August 7 10.24 GMT until August 8 11.24 GMT: hex.18.3 August 8 11.24 GMT until August 9 12.25 GMT: hex.19.3 Hex.19.3 Sweet nearing. Probing brings no harvest. Already sad about it, without fault. (Sentiments are useless. Give your feelings only to essential and valuable things or people. Forget status, it is the inner worth that counts.) Sabian Symbol: A nonvested church choir (The tailor makes the man - but not his song) ° Changing to 11.3 Without level places no slopes. Without going no returning. In hard conditions determination: no fault. Do not worry over the inevitable. Sustenance brings blessing. (Good fortune is fragile, nothing is certain, everything contains also its opposite. Accept it and make life proceed in all circumstances. To stay alive is a blessing, all the rest is an extra.) Sabian Symbol: Glass blowers. (Melt what breaks and blow it again) (Time is given for Greenwich Main Time. For USA subtract appr. 6 hours (11 AM will be 5 AM), for China add appr. 8 hours, for Australia add appr. 9 hours (the difference between your local clock-time and GMT). Given times are NOT exact, they may err some in either direction. I do not know if the most important hexagram for the day is the one of midnight, or the one of sunrise, or two hexagrams: before and after the given time) LiSe Yi Jing, Book of the Moon www.anton-heyboer.org postmaster@aheyboer.com ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. From owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org Wed Aug 8 14:22:16 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by apocalypse.org (8.11.2/8.11.0) id f78IMGL10207 for hexagram-8-outgoing; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 14:22:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: apocalypse.org: majordom set sender to owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org using -f Received: from smtp04.wxs.nl (smtp04.wxs.nl [195.121.6.59]) by apocalypse.org (8.11.2/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f78IMEB10202 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 14:22:14 -0400 Received: from heybo002 ([195.121.114.41]) by smtp04.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 4.05) with SMTP id GHRHOV04.76G for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 20:22:07 +0200 Message-ID: <000b01c12037$127da9c0$297279c3@heybo002> From: "LiSe" To: "hexagram-8 @apocalypse.org" Subject: HEX8: Hexagram August 8-9 Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 20:22:02 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: hexagram-8@apocalypse.org August 8-9 August 8 11.24 GMT until August 9 12.25 GMT: hex.19.3 August 9 12.25 GMT until August 10 13.24 GMT: hex.20.3 Hex.20.3 Contemplating my own life. Advancing, withdrawing. (One has to oscillate all the time between one's individual development and duties towards others. Consider carefully the consequences, day after day, and make conscious choices.) Sabian Symbol: A teacher of chemistry. (Before and after the arrow is the same number of atoms and yet a different world.) * Changing to 53.3 The wild goose gradually approaches the highlands. The husband goes out and does not return. The woman gets pregnant but does not raise the child. Pitfall. Harvest: defense against robbers. (There must be a permanent thread in your emotions, reactions and deeds, so others can expect what you will do next. If there is not, cooperation or building up a life together is not possible. And this solid structure is made by everyday small events.) Sabian Symbol: A girl's basketball team. (Just a bunch of girls, but when they get to know each other, cooperation emerges.) (Time is given for Greenwich Main Time. For USA subtract appr. 6 hours (11 AM will be 5 AM), for China add appr. 8 hours, for Australia add appr. 9 hours (the difference between your local clock-time and GMT). Given times are NOT exact, they may err some in either direction. I do not know if the most important hexagram for the day is the one of midnight, or the one of sunrise, or two hexagrams: before and after the given time) LiSe Yi Jing, Book of the Moon www.anton-heyboer.org postmaster@aheyboer.com ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. From owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org Thu Aug 9 17:09:17 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by apocalypse.org (8.11.2/8.11.0) id f79L9HT29129 for hexagram-8-outgoing; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 17:09:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: apocalypse.org: majordom set sender to owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org using -f Received: from smtp02.wxs.nl (smtp02.wxs.nl [195.121.6.54]) by apocalypse.org (8.11.2/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f79L9GB29123 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 17:09:16 -0400 Received: from heybo002 ([195.121.114.57]) by smtp02.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 4.05) with SMTP id GHTBKP04.TEJ for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 20:05:13 +0200 Message-ID: <001a01c120fd$e1482160$397279c3@heybo002> From: "LiSe" To: "hexagram-8 @apocalypse.org" Subject: HEX8: Hexagram August 9-10 Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 20:05:11 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: hexagram-8@apocalypse.org August 9 12.25 GMT until August 10 13.24 GMT: hex.20.3 August 10 13.24 GMT until August 11 14.24 GMT: hex.21.3 Hex.21.3 Biting cured meat, encounters poison. Small distress. Without fault. (When emotions get trapped, one has to make them free again. It always hurts - oneself, someone else. But one has to do it, one's first duty is always to live. Arrange your life such, that you can always give your emotions the freedom they need. Not by giving them no home, but by giving them a movable home. Life will be richer for yourself and for those around you.) * Changing to 30.3 The Bright Bird of the sun in the West (sunset). Not drumming on jars and singing. Harvest: big laments of old age. Pitfall. (If you are not able to use little events as cause for joy, happiness or togetherness, difficult times will be a disaster for you. Useless things can be extremely useful in another realm of consciousness, so open your eyes and look for them. If your heart stays young and open, so will you.) Sabian Symbol: Many little birds on a limb of a large tree (Yggdrasil has a huge trunk but also whispering leaves, gives shelter to the growling bear but also to chattering birds.) (Time is given for Greenwich Main Time. For USA subtract appr. 6 hours (11 AM will be 5 AM), for China add appr. 8 hours, for Australia add appr. 9 hours (the difference between your local clock-time and GMT). Given times are NOT exact, they may err some in either direction. I do not know if the most important hexagram for the day is the one of midnight, or the one of sunrise, or two hexagrams: before and after the given time) LiSe Yi Jing, Book of the Moon www.anton-heyboer.org postmaster@aheyboer.com ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. From owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org Fri Aug 10 13:04:16 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by apocalypse.org (8.11.2/8.11.0) id f7AH4GS12044 for hexagram-8-outgoing; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 13:04:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: apocalypse.org: majordom set sender to owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org using -f Received: from mail0.crcom.net (mail0.crcom.net [208.220.74.20]) by apocalypse.org (8.11.2/8.11.0) with SMTP id f7AH4EB12038 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 13:04:14 -0400 Received: (qmail 21310 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2001 17:04:11 -0000 Received: from ip01-31.crcom.net (HELO shiggins) (65.198.128.31) by mail0.crcom.net with SMTP; 10 Aug 2001 17:04:11 -0000 Message-ID: <3B74131A.7949@crcom.net> Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 12:00:10 -0500 From: Charlie Higgins Organization: West Texas Country X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hexagram-8@apocalypse.org Subject: HEX8: Re: Needham's Volume III References: <001a01c120fd$e1482160$397279c3@heybo002> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: hexagram-8@apocalypse.org I have a new copy of Needham's Volume 3, "Science and Civilisation in China," Sections 19-25 that I am going to sell. I'm weeding out books that I don't use anymore and hopefully some of you may get some use out of them. I used this book once to make photocopies and it has been on my bookshelf since. I paid over $200 (US) new and am willing to part with it for $150 if anyone is interested... Charlie Higgins ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. From owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org Fri Aug 10 14:01:02 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by apocalypse.org (8.11.2/8.11.0) id f7AI12115689 for hexagram-8-outgoing; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 14:01:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: apocalypse.org: majordom set sender to owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org using -f Received: from smtp03.wxs.nl (smtp03.wxs.nl [195.121.6.37]) by apocalypse.org (8.11.2/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f7AI11B15679 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 14:01:01 -0400 Received: from heybo002 ([195.121.114.160]) by smtp03.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 4.05) with SMTP id GHV61I02.6B1 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 20:00:54 +0200 Message-ID: <000901c121c6$7268da40$a07279c3@heybo002> From: "LiSe" To: "hexagram-8 @apocalypse.org" Subject: HEX8: Hexagram August 10-11 Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 20:00:49 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: hexagram-8@apocalypse.org August 10 13.24 GMT until August 11 14.24 GMT: hex.21.3 August 11 14.24 GMT until August 12 15.22 GMT: hex.22.3 Hex.22.3 Then energetic, then silverhaired. Then a white horse soaring up. No bandit, a marital suitor. (Show what you really are. Make-believe and macho work for a short time, but people will mistrust it. What seems less, but is true, will find belief and honor.) Sabian Symbol: The Zuni sun worshippers. (Suns and Gods shine on all kinds of people alike) ° Changing to 27.3 Rejecting jaws. Determination pitfall. For ten years no use. No probing brings harvest. (The purpose of food is to sustain life, for the body or the spirit. Don't turn it to a dogma. Only eating what is 'right' or only eating what tastes nice are both wrong. Food should be healthy as well as tasty, feeding body and mind as well as eyes and joy.) Sabian Symbol: A camel crossing the desert (I don't think he will make it if he rejects half of what he finds.) (Time is given for Greenwich Main Time. For USA subtract appr. 6 hours (11 AM will be 5 AM), for China add appr. 8 hours, for Australia add appr. 9 hours (the difference between your local clock-time and GMT). Given times are NOT exact, they may err some in either direction. I do not know if the most important hexagram for the day is the one of midnight, or the one of sunrise, or two hexagrams: before and after the given time) LiSe Yi Jing, Book of the Moon www.anton-heyboer.org postmaster@aheyboer.com ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. From owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org Sat Aug 11 13:18:34 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by apocalypse.org (8.11.2/8.11.0) id f7BHIYI04711 for hexagram-8-outgoing; Sat, 11 Aug 2001 13:18:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: apocalypse.org: majordom set sender to owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org using -f Received: from smtp06.wxs.nl (smtp06.wxs.nl [195.121.6.58]) by apocalypse.org (8.11.2/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f7BHIVB04707 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2001 13:18:32 -0400 Received: from heybo002 ([195.121.114.23]) by smtp06.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 4.05) with SMTP id GHWYQP00.751 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2001 19:18:25 +0200 Message-ID: <000401c12289$ad93e7e0$177279c3@heybo002> From: "LiSe" To: "hexagram-8 @apocalypse.org" Subject: HEX8: Hexagram August 11-12 Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 20:47:12 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: hexagram-8@apocalypse.org August 11 14.24 GMT until August 12 15.22 GMT: hex.22.3 August 12 15.22 GMT until August 13 16.19 GMT: hex.23.3 Hex.23.3 Stripping it. Without fault. (To be yourself, live your life, make your decisions, you have to break away from all those people who tell you how to live, or even without saying anything, expecting you to live according to their views. Even if you choose an absurd life - so what? It is your life.) Sabian Symbol: Chickens intoxicated (Every day a glass is good for heart and veins.) * Changing to 52.3 Stabilize one's limits. Arrange one's ambitions. Danger of poisoning the heart. (A life with too many rules, limits, dogma's and fixed values is not alive. Tao is not written down anywhere, your heart is the only one who knows - if your heart has enough freedom.) Sabian Symbol: An automobile caravan (All going the same road, all poisoning each other) (Time is given for Greenwich Main Time. For USA subtract appr. 6 hours (11 AM will be 5 AM), for China add appr. 8 hours, for Australia add appr. 9 hours (the difference between your local clock-time and GMT). Given times are NOT exact, they may err some in either direction. I do not know if the most important hexagram for the day is the one of midnight, or the one of sunrise, or two hexagrams: before and after the given time) LiSe Yi Jing, Book of the Moon www.anton-heyboer.org postmaster@aheyboer.com ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. From owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org Sun Aug 12 14:04:36 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by apocalypse.org (8.11.2/8.11.0) id f7CI4av26096 for hexagram-8-outgoing; Sun, 12 Aug 2001 14:04:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: apocalypse.org: majordom set sender to owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org using -f Received: from smtp04.wxs.nl (smtp04.wxs.nl [195.121.6.59]) by apocalypse.org (8.11.2/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f7CI4YB26092 for ; Sun, 12 Aug 2001 14:04:34 -0400 Received: from heybo002 ([195.121.114.185]) by smtp04.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 4.05) with SMTP id GHYVJH03.I83 for ; Sun, 12 Aug 2001 20:04:29 +0200 Message-ID: <000201c12359$46f35c20$b97279c3@heybo002> From: "LiSe" To: "hexagram-8 @apocalypse.org" Subject: HEX8: Hexagram August 11-12 Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 19:53:53 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: hexagram-8@apocalypse.org August 12 15.22 GMT until August 13 16.19 GMT: hex.23.3 August 13 16.19 GMT until August 14 17.17 GMT: hex.24.3 Hex.24.3 On the brink of returning. Danger. Without fault. (If one's aim is always to return to one' essence, in every situation or action, one has not chosen the easiest way of living. Often it will cause difficulties, but the reward is great. How many people will ever find the place where they belong? This is the way to find it.) Sabian Symbol: A carrier pigeon (Always coming back home, with the message.) * Changing to 36.3 Hiding brightness. At the hunt in the South catching the great head. Not permitting a determination about affliction. (If your mind is low, then go hunting in the fields of Hypochondria - the South, the belly, the domain of emotions. Giving your thoughts a connection with physical sensations may not solve anything yet, but it opens the gateway for recovery. When things get tangible they attract concrete solutions.) Sabian Symbol: A chocolate child playing with white children (Big changes have to start small and then grow big.) (Time is given for Greenwich Main Time. For USA subtract appr. 6 hours (11 AM will be 5 AM), for China add appr. 8 hours, for Australia add appr. 9 hours (the difference between your local clock-time and GMT). Given times are NOT exact, they may err some in either direction. I do not know if the most important hexagram for the day is the one of midnight, or the one of sunrise, or two hexagrams: before and after the given time) LiSe Yi Jing, Book of the Moon www.anton-heyboer.org postmaster@aheyboer.com ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. From owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org Mon Aug 13 13:59:05 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by apocalypse.org (8.11.2/8.11.0) id f7DHx5910991 for hexagram-8-outgoing; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 13:59:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: apocalypse.org: majordom set sender to owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org using -f Received: from smtp05.wxs.nl (smtp05.wxs.nl [195.121.6.57]) by apocalypse.org (8.11.2/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f7DHx2B10986 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 13:59:03 -0400 Received: from heybo002 ([195.121.114.80]) by smtp05.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 4.05) with SMTP id GI0PY700.O1B for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 19:58:55 +0200 Message-ID: <000201c12421$aba013c0$507279c3@heybo002> From: "LiSe" To: "hexagram-8 @apocalypse.org" Subject: HEX8: Hexagram August 13-14 Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 20:15:50 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: hexagram-8@apocalypse.org August 13 16.19 GMT until August 14 17.17 GMT: hex.24.3 August 14 17.17 GMT until August 15 18.12 GMT: hex.25.3 Hex.25.3 The disaster of innocence. Someone binds his cow, road-people's gain, town people's disaster. Who relies too much on rules and laws reckons too little with the unexpected. Rules are man-made, nature often does not heed them. The one with a free mind, looking after himself and able to assess risks, is seldom struck by mishap. But often pleasantly surprised by a slice of good luck. Sabian Symbol: A bareback rider Some learn to ride on a horse, others learn to ride on a saddle ° Changing to 13.3 Hiding away arms in the thickets. Ascending a high mound. Three years not rising (up again). With human rules life becomes extremely complicated. Never knowing when one can rely on them, one has to develop suspicion and fear. Put your trust in universal rules, they will support and protect you. It is the only base for a loving, trusting and playful life with others. Sabian Symbol: Children on a swing in a huge oak tree You have a place in the overall scheme of things (Time is given for Greenwich Main Time. For USA subtract appr. 6 hours (11 AM will be 5 AM), for China add appr. 8 hours, for Australia add appr. 9 hours (the difference between your local clock-time and GMT). Given times are NOT exact, they may err some in either direction. I do not know if the most important hexagram for the day is the one of midnight, or the one of sunrise, or two hexagrams: before and after the given time) LiSe Yi Jing, Book of the Moon www.anton-heyboer.org postmaster@aheyboer.com ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. From owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org Tue Aug 14 13:27:28 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by apocalypse.org (8.11.2/8.11.0) id f7EHRSK08569 for hexagram-8-outgoing; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 13:27:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: apocalypse.org: majordom set sender to owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org using -f Received: from smtp05.wxs.nl (smtp05.wxs.nl [195.121.6.57]) by apocalypse.org (8.11.2/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f7EHRQB08564 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 13:27:26 -0400 Received: from heybo002 ([195.121.114.19]) by smtp05.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 4.05) with SMTP id GI2J5J03.Z1Z for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 19:27:19 +0200 Message-ID: <000201c124e6$6ca33d80$137279c3@heybo002> From: "LiSe" To: "hexagram-8 @apocalypse.org" Subject: HEX8: Hexagram August 14-15 Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 20:06:12 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: hexagram-8@apocalypse.org August 14 17.17 GMT until August 15 18.12 GMT: hex.25.3 August 15 18.12 GMT until August 16 19.10 GMT: hex.26.3 Hex.26.3 Fine horses for pursuit. Harvest: a hardship determination. Daily making fences, making carts, patrolling. Harvest: proceeding probing. (Good things do not arrive by themselves. For having a good horse, one has to make a good horse and dedicate oneself to it. For a real good one: a lifetime, maybe the lifetimes of several generations. Everything one does should rely on dedication. It makes life to Life.) Sabian Symbol: An untidy unkempt man (Focus yourself totally on what you are doing, indifferent to criticism or social rules. Results are always as real as the maker.) ° Changing to 41.3 Three people moving, then the rule is they are diminished by one person. One person moving, then the rule is one finds a friend. (Everybody creates his own future by what he acquires and what he discards. Amassing, whether of things or of people, means diminishing spirituality and individuality. Two is company, three is a crowd. Relying on spiritual exchange instead of crowds of things or people opens the door for real emotions and contact.) Sabian Symbol: A man making a futurist drawing (Groups cannot imagine the not-yet, only an individual can.) (Time is given for Greenwich Main Time. For USA subtract appr. 6 hours (11 AM will be 5 AM), for China add appr. 8 hours, for Australia add appr. 9 hours (the difference between your local clock-time and GMT). Given times are NOT exact, they may err some in either direction. I do not know if the most important hexagram for the day is the one of midnight, or the one of sunrise, or two hexagrams: before and after the given time) LiSe Yi Jing, Book of the Moon www.anton-heyboer.org postmaster@aheyboer.com ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. From owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org Wed Aug 15 13:36:28 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by apocalypse.org (8.11.2/8.11.0) id f7FHaSX05360 for hexagram-8-outgoing; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 13:36:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: apocalypse.org: majordom set sender to owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org using -f Received: from smtp04.wxs.nl (smtp04.wxs.nl [195.121.6.59]) by apocalypse.org (8.11.2/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f7FHaRB05356 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 13:36:27 -0400 Received: from heybo002 ([195.121.114.234]) by smtp04.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 4.05) with SMTP id GI4E8M03.QO3 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 19:36:22 +0200 Message-ID: <000201c125b0$db315640$ea7279c3@heybo002> From: "LiSe" To: "hexagram-8 @apocalypse.org" Subject: HEX8: Hexagram August 15-16 Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 19:55:05 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: hexagram-8@apocalypse.org August 15 18.12 GMT until August 16 19.10 GMT: hex.26.3 August 16 19.10 GMT until August 17 20.06 GMT: hex.27.3 Hex.27.3 Rejecting jaws. Determination pitfall. For ten years nothing to use. No probing brings harvest. Rejecting jaws. Determination pitfall. For ten years nothing to use. No probing brings harvest. (The purpose of food is to sustain life, for the body or the spirit. Don't turn it to a dogma. Only eating what is 'right' or only eating what tastes nice are both wrong. Food should be healthy as well as tasty, feeding body and mind as well as eyes and joy.) Sabian Symbol: A camel crossing the desert (I don't think he will make it if he rejects half of what he finds.) * Changing to 22.3 Then energetic, then penetrating like water. Ever flowing determination auspicious. (Honor strength as well as beauty, action as well as relaxation. Only if both sides of life's aspects are present, one will live. One-sidedness makes rigid and vulnerable.) Sabian Symbol: The Zuni sun worshipers. (Suns and Gods shine on all kinds of people alike) (Time is given for Greenwich Main Time. For USA subtract appr. 6 hours (11 AM will be 5 AM), for China add appr. 8 hours, for Australia add appr. 9 hours (the difference between your local clock-time and GMT). Given times are NOT exact, they may err some in either direction. I do not know if the most important hexagram for the day is the one of midnight, or the one of sunrise, or two hexagrams: before and after the given time) LiSe Yi Jing, Book of the Moon www.anton-heyboer.org postmaster@aheyboer.com ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. From owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org Thu Aug 16 13:17:16 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by apocalypse.org (8.11.2/8.11.0) id f7GHHG004052 for hexagram-8-outgoing; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 13:17:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: apocalypse.org: majordom set sender to owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org using -f Received: from smtp03.wxs.nl (smtp03.wxs.nl [195.121.6.37]) by apocalypse.org (8.11.2/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f7GHHEB04048 for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 13:17:14 -0400 Received: from heybo002 ([195.121.114.127]) by smtp03.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 4.05) with SMTP id GI680P01.HCS for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 19:17:13 +0200 Message-ID: <000201c12677$59816320$7f7279c3@heybo002> From: "LiSe" To: "hexagram-8 @apocalypse.org" Subject: HEX8: Hexagram August 16-17 Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 19:47:28 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: hexagram-8@apocalypse.org August 16 19.10 GMT until August 17 20.06 GMT: hex.27.3 August 17 20.06 GMT until August 18 20.06 GMT: hex.28.3 Hex.28.3 The ridgepole is sagging. Pitfall. (If you believe you are weak or old or failing, then you will make it true. These are not feelings of real life, they are just negative ideas. Can a dog 'think' he is old? His limbs may be stiff, but his mind is Now, today, what he is doing right now. In his mind is no 'himself' to think about.) Sabian Symbol: A rainbow (God promised that he would not send a Flood again, so this one is made by your own mind.) * Changing to 47.3 Confined to stone. Relies on star thistle. Enters his house , sees not his wife. Pitfall. (Never let feelings be conditioned by what 'ought' or is 'good' or is admired by others. Conditioning is one of the worst prisons, it needs not even walls. Let your own feelings speak and listen well. Follow only what they acknowledge as worthwhile.) Sabian Symbol: An ornamental handkerchief. An ornamental handkerchief. (You will have to take care not to spill tears on the ornaments) (Time is given for Greenwich Main Time. For USA subtract appr. 6 hours (11 AM will be 5 AM), for China add appr. 8 hours, for Australia add appr. 9 hours (the difference between your local clock-time and GMT). Given times are NOT exact, they may err some in either direction. I do not know if the most important hexagram for the day is the one of midnight, or the one of sunrise, or two hexagrams: before and after the given time) LiSe Yi Jing, Book of the Moon www.anton-heyboer.org postmaster@aheyboer.com ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. From owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org Fri Aug 17 14:34:02 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by apocalypse.org (8.11.2/8.11.0) id f7HIY2S09059 for hexagram-8-outgoing; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 14:34:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: apocalypse.org: majordom set sender to owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org using -f Received: from smtp06.wxs.nl (smtp06.wxs.nl [195.121.6.58]) by apocalypse.org (8.11.2/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f7HIY0B09051 for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 14:34:00 -0400 Received: from heybo002 ([195.121.114.142]) by smtp06.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 4.05) with SMTP id GI868H03.F5W for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 20:33:53 +0200 Message-ID: <000201c1274b$3a64ce80$8e7279c3@heybo002> From: "LiSe" To: "hexagram-8 @apocalypse.org" Subject: HEX8: Hexagram August 17-18 Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 19:27:57 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: hexagram-8@apocalypse.org August 17 20.06 GMT until August 18 20.59 GMT: hex.28.3 August 18 20.59 GMT until August 19 21.53 GMT: hex.29.3 Hex.29.3 Coming to the pit of pits. Risks, and also stuck. Entering the pits trap fall. No benefit. (Despair or fatalism block every hope for finding a solution. Solve the blocking of the heart, only a free heart can ever find solutions.) Sabian Symbol: Daybreak (Even insolvable problems change some day - maybe tomorrow morning?) * Changing to 48.3 The well is seeping, no drinking. It makes my heart ache. One might draw from it. The king is bright, together we receive its blessing. (If something does not work, then look at it from all sides, think about it, direct your attention to it. Solutions need fostering, they are not simply there or not. Even if you cannot figure out anything, if it has your attention, then out of nowhere some idea will come.) Sabian Symbol: An orangutan (Use your head. He too has brains, he uses them.) (Time is given for Greenwich Main Time. For USA subtract appr. 6 hours (11 AM will be 5 AM), for China add appr. 8 hours, for Australia add appr. 9 hours (the difference between your local clock-time and GMT). Given times are NOT exact, they may err some in either direction. I do not know if the most important hexagram for the day is the one of midnight, or the one of sunrise, or two hexagrams: before and after the given time) LiSe Yi Jing, Book of the Moon www.anton-heyboer.org postmaster@aheyboer.com ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. From owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org Sat Aug 18 11:36:49 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by apocalypse.org (8.11.2/8.11.0) id f7IFanc22084 for hexagram-8-outgoing; Sat, 18 Aug 2001 11:36:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: apocalypse.org: majordom set sender to owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org using -f Received: from smtp06.wxs.nl (smtp06.wxs.nl [195.121.6.58]) by apocalypse.org (8.11.2/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f7IFalB22070 for ; Sat, 18 Aug 2001 11:36:47 -0400 Received: from heybo002 ([195.121.114.3]) by smtp06.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 4.05) with SMTP id GI9SP403.KN4 for ; Sat, 18 Aug 2001 17:36:40 +0200 Message-ID: <001001c127fb$a39e0000$037279c3@heybo002> From: "LiSe" To: "hexagram-8 @apocalypse.org" Subject: HEX8: Hexagram August 19-20 Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 17:36:50 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: hexagram-8@apocalypse.org Great new book: 'THE MANDATE OF HEAVEN, hidden history in the I Ching', by S.J.Marshall. About old meaning of 'Yi', the Gu of hex.18, the solar eclipse of hex.55, the corpse of the army, the MingYi bird (about pheasants and meteorites, and about Yi shooting the sun), the melon, the skin on the thighs, the dragon and rain. And here and there in the text other clarifications, all very well documented. I love it. August 18 20.59 GMT until August 19 21.53 GMT: hex.29.3 August 19 21.53 GMT until August 20 22.46 GMT: hex.30.3 Hex.30.3 The Bright Bird of sunset. Not drumming on jars and singing. Harvest: big laments of old age. Pitfall. (If you are not able to use little events as cause for joy, happiness or togetherness, difficult times will be a disaster for you. Useless things can be extremely useful in another realm of consciousness, so open your eyes and look for them. If your heart stays young and open, so will you.) Sabian Symbol: Many little birds on a limb of a large tree Yggdrasil has a huge trunk but also whispering leaves, gives shelter to the growling bear but also to chattering birds. * Changing to 21.3 Biting cured meat, encountering poison. Small distress. Without fault. (When emotions get trapped, one has to make them free again. It always hurts - oneself, someone else. But one has to do it, one's first duty is always to live. Arrange your life such, that you can always give your emotions the freedom they need. Not by giving them no home, but by giving them a movable home. Life will be richer for yourself and for those around you.) Sabian Symbol: A houseboat party Joy on the surface, carried by deep mystery: food for the heart (Time is given for Greenwich Main Time. For USA subtract appr. 6 hours (11 AM will be 5 AM), for China add appr. 8 hours, for Australia add appr. 9 hours (the difference between your local clock-time and GMT). Given times are NOT exact, they may err some in either direction. I do not know if the most important hexagram for the day is the one of midnight, or the one of sunrise, or two hexagrams: before and after the given time) LiSe Yi Jing, Book of the Moon www.anton-heyboer.org postmaster@aheyboer.com ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. From owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org Sun Aug 19 11:06:49 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by apocalypse.org (8.11.2/8.11.0) id f7JF6ne03270 for hexagram-8-outgoing; Sun, 19 Aug 2001 11:06:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: apocalypse.org: majordom set sender to owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org using -f Received: from smtp04.wxs.nl (smtp04.wxs.nl [195.121.6.59]) by apocalypse.org (8.11.2/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f7JF6lB03266 for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2001 11:06:48 -0400 Received: from heybo002 ([195.121.114.95]) by smtp04.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 4.05) with SMTP id GIBLZ500.E3A for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2001 17:06:41 +0200 Message-ID: <000601c128c0$9e0d7b00$5f7279c3@heybo002> From: "LiSe" To: "hexagram-8 @apocalypse.org" Subject: HEX8: Hexagram August 19-20 Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 17:49:24 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: hexagram-8@apocalypse.org August 19 21.53 GMT until August 20 22.46 GMT: hex.30.3 August 20 22.46 GMT until August 22 0.32 GMT: hex.31.3 Hex.31.3 Affect one's thigh. Seizing one's follower. To proceed is auspicious. (Do not float along with moods or convictions. Not your own and not someone else's. If they are conscious, at least you know what you do, but the ones you do not really think about are the dangerous ones. What you do not test is contagious, especially if a great number of people go along.) Sabian Symbol: A mermaid. (Don't jump after her, just enjoy meeting her.) ° Changing to 45.3 Then gathering, then moaning. No ground for harvest. To proceed is without fault. Small distress. (For a coherent whole one needs consistent perseverance. Do not find out if it works - make it work. Feelings will always be changeable, one cannot demand perfection and constancy. Just hold on to it.) Sabian Symbol: A strong hand supplanting political hysteria. (Treat emotions in the way a horse should be handled.) (Time is given for Greenwich Main Time. For USA subtract appr. 6 hours (11 AM will be 5 AM), for China add appr. 8 hours, for Australia add appr. 9 hours (the difference between your local clock-time and GMT). Given times are NOT exact, they may err some in either direction. I do not know if the most important hexagram for the day is the one of midnight, or the one of sunrise, or two hexagrams: before and after the given time) LiSe Yi Jing, Book of the Moon www.anton-heyboer.org postmaster@aheyboer.com ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. From owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org Mon Aug 20 16:04:13 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by apocalypse.org (8.11.2/8.11.0) id f7KK4D203799 for hexagram-8-outgoing; Mon, 20 Aug 2001 16:04:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: apocalypse.org: majordom set sender to owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org using -f Received: from smarthost-1.mail.telinco.net (smarthost-1.mail.telinco.net [212.1.128.90]) by apocalypse.org (8.11.2/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f7KK47B03784 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2001 16:04:08 -0400 Received: from ppp-3-81.cvx1.telinco.net ([212.1.138.81] helo=weft.telinco.co.uk) by smarthost-1.mail.telinco.net with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 15YvFS-000Nfc-00 for hexagram-8@apocalypse.org; Mon, 20 Aug 2001 21:02:12 +0100 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20010820210315.00a6c9a0@pop3.norton.antivirus> X-Sender: tfi015829/mail.telinco.co.uk@pop3.norton.antivirus (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 21:05:16 +0100 To: hexagram-8@apocalypse.org From: Andreas Schoter Subject: HEX8: Review of Huang's Numerology In-Reply-To: <000601c128c0$9e0d7b00$5f7279c3@heybo002> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: hexagram-8@apocalypse.org Hi Folks, I've been quiet for far too long - with work and practice I'm finding it hard to make time for my Yi studies. However, I have just put a review of Huang's book on the numerology of the I Ching on my web site at http://www.weft.telinco.co.uk/changes/reviews.html All the Best Andreas ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. From owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org Mon Aug 20 17:27:19 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by apocalypse.org (8.11.2/8.11.0) id f7KLRJt09032 for hexagram-8-outgoing; Mon, 20 Aug 2001 17:27:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: apocalypse.org: majordom set sender to owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org using -f Received: from imo-r07.mx.aol.com (imo-r07.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.103]) by apocalypse.org (8.11.2/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f7KLRHB09028 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2001 17:27:17 -0400 Received: from Frankelmick@aol.com by imo-r07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.4.) id h.34.19979505 (17232) for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2001 17:27:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Frankelmick@aol.com Message-ID: <34.19979505.28b2dab1@aol.com> Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 17:27:13 EDT Subject: Re: HEX8: Review of Huang's Numerology To: hexagram-8@apocalypse.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_34.19979505.28b2dab1_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows UK sub 10503 Sender: owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: hexagram-8@apocalypse.org --part1_34.19979505.28b2dab1_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Andreas, Thanks for your excellent fair-minded and balanced review of Master Alfred Huang's book. I aalso think it's a book that everyone can get something from and I've really enjoyed working through it. You say, "the book suffers from occasional misprints" . I think this is a bit of an under-statement and wrote to the publishers along the lines of "this is a fantastic book but it would be great if you could sort out the misprints." (I didn't receive a reply). For example, the diagram of Shao Yong's square has an error on the bottom line in every diagram except the one with the Hexagrams in a circle around it on page 51. You know the section on Jin Fan's sixteen changes in chapter 14, have you tried working through Jin Fan's method on all the doubled Hexagrams? Starting with Hex 30 takes you on a fascinating journey, I think. I'll be checking out the other reviews on your website. Thanks again, Mick --part1_34.19979505.28b2dab1_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Andreas,

Thanks for your excellent fair-minded and balanced review of Master Alfred
Huang's book.

I aalso think it's a book that everyone can get something from and I've
really enjoyed working through it.

You say, "the book suffers from occasional misprints" . I think this is a bit
of an under-statement and wrote to the publishers along the lines of "this is
a fantastic book but it would be great if you could sort out the misprints."
(I didn't receive a reply). For example, the diagram of Shao Yong's square
has an error on the bottom line in every diagram except the one with the
Hexagrams in a circle around it on page 51.

You know the section on Jin Fan's sixteen changes in chapter 14, have you
tried working through Jin Fan's method on all the doubled Hexagrams? Starting
with Hex 30 takes you on a fascinating journey, I think.

I'll be checking out the other reviews on your website.

Thanks again,

Mick --part1_34.19979505.28b2dab1_boundary-- ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. From owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org Wed Aug 22 13:01:14 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by apocalypse.org (8.11.2/8.11.0) id f7MH1EN24970 for hexagram-8-outgoing; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 13:01:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: apocalypse.org: majordom set sender to owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org using -f Received: from smtp03.wxs.nl (smtp03.wxs.nl [195.121.6.37]) by apocalypse.org (8.11.2/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f7MH1BB24961 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 13:01:12 -0400 Received: from heybo002 ([195.121.114.58]) by smtp03.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 4.05) with SMTP id GIHB9N00.PLE for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 19:00:59 +0200 Message-ID: <000601c12b2c$16f20640$3a7279c3@heybo002> From: "LiSe" To: "hexagram-8 @apocalypse.org" Subject: HEX8: Hexagram August 22-23 Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 20:01:43 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: hexagram-8@apocalypse.org August 22 0.32 GMT until August 23 01.24 GMT: hex.32.3 August 23 01.24 GMT until August 24 02.12 GMT: hex.33.3 Hex.33.3 Attached retreat (or: retreat from attachment). There is disease and danger. To keep male and female slaves is auspicious. (One can only retreat if one feels free and strong. Retreat is to one's own value. So untie yourself from everything which pulls you down and make yourself the highest point of your life. With pride and grandeur. (or: withdraw and get - find ties: even in retreat there will be ties. Make them subordinate to you, so you will feel strong and free.) Sabian Symbol: A man's head. (I am the greatest ) ° Changing to 12.3 Holding a sheep offering to expiate a wrong. (The largest obstruction is inside, from out one's conscience. So make it free by expiation, towards people and towards the gods (or your heart and mind). In the night the earth sheds its tears, and the morning finds it new and shining again. Cleanse yourself and shine too.) Sabian Symbol: Early morning dew. (A new day after the tears of the night.) (Time is given for Greenwich Main Time. For USA subtract appr. 6 hours (11 AM will be 5 AM), for China add appr. 8 hours, for Australia add appr. 9 hours (the difference between your local clock-time and GMT). Given times are NOT exact, they may err some in either direction. I do not know if the most important hexagram for the day is the one of midnight, or the one of sunrise, or two hexagrams: before and after the given time) LiSe Yi Jing, Book of the Moon www.anton-heyboer.org postmaster@aheyboer.com ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. From owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org Fri Aug 24 14:18:07 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by apocalypse.org (8.11.2/8.11.0) id f7OII7Z32253 for hexagram-8-outgoing; Fri, 24 Aug 2001 14:18:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: apocalypse.org: majordom set sender to owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org using -f Received: from smtp06.wxs.nl (smtp06.wxs.nl [195.121.6.58]) by apocalypse.org (8.11.2/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f7OII5B32247 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2001 14:18:06 -0400 Received: from heybo002 ([195.121.114.150]) by smtp06.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 4.05) with SMTP id GIL45U04.N4Q for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2001 20:17:54 +0200 Message-ID: <001001c12cc9$2bddf660$967279c3@heybo002> From: "LiSe" To: "hexagram-8 @apocalypse.org" Subject: HEX8: Hexagram August 23-24 Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 20:13:43 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: hexagram-8@apocalypse.org August 23 01.24 GMT until August 24 02.12 GMT: hex.33.3 August 24 02.12 GMT until August 25 03.07 GMT: hex.34.3 Hex.34.3 Small people use vigor. The noble man uses nets. Determination: danger. (To acquire or accomplish something, one has to make all the preparations and then take a strategic position. No further action is necessary if one casts one's net in the right way and the right place. The sage wishes only what comes swimming by anyway.) Sabian Symbol: A large white cross upraised. ° Changing to 54.3 The marrying maiden waits. Returns and marries as secondary wife. (All things come to the one who can wait. Who craves for something will take the first-best for granted, who stays in his own dignity will get the one with dignity.) Sabian Symbol: A royal coat of arms. (Some people have inborn royalty.) (Time is given for Greenwich Main Time. For USA subtract appr. 6 hours (11 AM will be 5 AM), for China add appr. 8 hours, for Australia add appr. 9 hours (the difference between your local clock-time and GMT). Given times are NOT exact, they may err some in either direction. I do not know if the most important hexagram for the day is the one of midnight, or the one of sunrise, or two hexagrams: before and after the given time) LiSe Yi Jing, Book of the Moon www.anton-heyboer.org postmaster@aheyboer.com ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. From owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org Sat Aug 25 13:22:47 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by apocalypse.org (8.11.2/8.11.0) id f7PHMlT21846 for hexagram-8-outgoing; Sat, 25 Aug 2001 13:22:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: apocalypse.org: majordom set sender to owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org using -f Received: from smtp01.wxs.nl (smtp01.wxs.nl [195.121.6.61]) by apocalypse.org (8.11.2/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f7PHMjB21841 for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2001 13:22:45 -0400 Received: from heybo002 ([195.121.114.38]) by smtp01.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 4.05) with SMTP id GIMW9T01.0O3 for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2001 19:22:41 +0200 Message-ID: <000701c12d8a$9f494340$267279c3@heybo002> From: "LiSe" To: "hexagram-8 @apocalypse.org" Subject: HEX8: Hexagram August 24-25 Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 19:22:48 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: hexagram-8@apocalypse.org August 24 02.12 GMT until August 25 03.07 GMT: hex.34.3 August 25 03.07 GMT until August 26 03.58 GMT: hex.35.3 Hex.35.3 All are sincere. Troubles disappear. (The positivism in one's own heart is the condition for prosperity. Things, animals, people, heaven, they all love the one who has good fortune living in his heart, and they all will cooperate. One's own good luck creates good luck.) Sabian Symbol: Two angels bringing protection. (Angels are attracted by angels.) * Changing to 56.3 The wanderer burns his lodgings, loses his boy-servant. Determination danger. (One's own behavior decides how one's surroundings will react. Coarse and impolite one chases off everyone, with concern and love one finds a place, friends and help.) Sabian Symbol: Mary and her white lamb. (Love became visible.) (Time is given for Greenwich Main Time. For USA subtract appr. 6 hours (11 AM will be 5 AM), for China add appr. 8 hours, for Australia add appr. 9 hours (the difference between your local clock-time and GMT). Given times are NOT exact, they may err some in either direction. I do not know if the most important hexagram for the day is the one of midnight, or the one of sunrise, or two hexagrams: before and after the given time) LiSe Yi Jing, Book of the Moon www.anton-heyboer.org postmaster@aheyboer.com ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. From owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org Sat Aug 25 21:04:50 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by apocalypse.org (8.11.2/8.11.0) id f7Q14o306804 for hexagram-8-outgoing; Sat, 25 Aug 2001 21:04:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: apocalypse.org: majordom set sender to owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org using -f Received: from mail.independence.net (s1.independence.net [204.144.177.35]) by apocalypse.org (8.11.2/8.11.0) with SMTP id f7Q14nB06800 for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2001 21:04:49 -0400 Received: (qmail 1096 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2001 01:04:42 -0000 Received: from ridgway323.independence.net (HELO independence.net) (204.144.177.87) by mail.independence.net with SMTP; 26 Aug 2001 01:04:42 -0000 Message-ID: <3B885901.238BA5DE@independence.net> Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 19:03:45 -0700 From: Bradford Hatcher X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "hexagram-8@apocalypse.org" Subject: HEX8: fwd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: hexagram-8@apocalypse.org just passing this along from "Thomas" he's been trying unsuccessfully to get onto this list Hi, I'm -hopefully- starting a discussion around Shaughnessy's and Kunst's work on: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IChing_YiJing. Thomas ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. From owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org Sun Aug 26 13:44:36 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by apocalypse.org (8.11.2/8.11.0) id f7QHia109487 for hexagram-8-outgoing; Sun, 26 Aug 2001 13:44:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: apocalypse.org: majordom set sender to owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org using -f Received: from smtp03.wxs.nl (smtp03.wxs.nl [195.121.6.37]) by apocalypse.org (8.11.2/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f7QHiYB09483 for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2001 13:44:35 -0400 Received: from heybo002 ([195.121.114.19]) by smtp03.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 4.05) with SMTP id GIORY303.VZ6 for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2001 19:44:27 +0200 Message-ID: <000201c12e56$d4c61120$137279c3@heybo002> From: "LiSe" To: "hexagram-8 @apocalypse.org" Subject: HEX8: Hexagram August 25-26 Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 20:04:17 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: hexagram-8@apocalypse.org August 25 03.07 GMT until August 26 03.58 GMT: hex.35.3 August 26 03.58 GMT until August 27 04.48 GMT: hex.36.3 Hex.36.3 Hiding brightness. At the hunt in the South catching the great head. Not permitting a determination about affliction. (If your mind is low, then go hunting in the fields of Hypochondria - the South, the belly, the domain of emotions. Giving your thoughts a connection with physical sensations may not solve anything yet, but it opens the gateway for recovery. When things get tangible they attract concrete solutions.) Sabian Symbol: A chocolate child playing with white children. (Big changes have to start small and then grow big.) ° Changing to 24.3 On the brink of returning. Danger. Without fault. (If one's aim is always to return to one's essence, in every situation or action, one has not chosen the easiest way of living. Often it will cause difficulties, but the reward is great. How many people will ever find the place where they belong? This is the way to find it.) Sabian Symbol: A carrier pigeon. (Always coming home with his message.) (Time is given for Greenwich Main Time. For USA subtract appr. 6 hours (11 AM will be 5 AM), for China add appr. 8 hours, for Australia add appr. 9 hours (the difference between your local clock-time and GMT). Given times are NOT exact, they may err some in either direction. I do not know if the most important hexagram for the day is the one of midnight, or the one of sunrise, or two hexagrams: before and after the given time) LiSe Yi Jing, Book of the Moon www.anton-heyboer.org postmaster@aheyboer.com ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. From owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org Mon Aug 27 15:06:44 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by apocalypse.org (8.11.2/8.11.0) id f7RJ6iF01736 for hexagram-8-outgoing; Mon, 27 Aug 2001 15:06:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: apocalypse.org: majordom set sender to owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org using -f Received: from smtp02.wxs.nl (smtp02.wxs.nl [195.121.6.54]) by apocalypse.org (8.11.2/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f7RJ6gB01732 for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2001 15:06:43 -0400 Received: from heybo002 ([195.121.114.234]) by smtp02.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 4.05) with SMTP id GIQQF402.1AL for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2001 21:06:40 +0200 Message-ID: <000201c12f2b$7b1a39a0$ea7279c3@heybo002> From: "LiSe" To: "hexagram-8 @apocalypse.org" Subject: HEX8: Hexagram August 26 -27 Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 19:52:47 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: hexagram-8@apocalypse.org August 26 03.58 GMT until August 27 04.48 GMT: hex.36.3 August 27 04.48 GMT until August 28 05.37 GMT: hex.37.3 Hex.37.3 The family people moan and wail. Regrets and threats. Auspicious. Women and children giggle-giggle. In the end distress. (Who has learned the hard way can cope with all ways. The hard way builds up strength, the easy way makes soft and lazy.) Sabian Symbol: A man dreaming of fairies. (As a man dreams, so shall he achieve.) * Changing to 42.3 Increase benefits by pitfall matters. Without fault. Be true, move central (halfway), report to the prince using a seal. (Every creature develops the abilities he needs and loses the ones which are not challenged. For a healthy body and mind one needs difficulties. No self-confidence, wisdom, skill or the ability to put into perspective can be without experience. For every job one has to show one's credentials, the proof of one's experience.) Sabian Symbol: Two heads looking out and beyond the shadows. (After the dark one can see the light.) (Time is given for Greenwich Main Time. For USA subtract appr. 6 hours (11 AM will be 5 AM), for China add appr. 8 hours, for Australia add appr. 9 hours (the difference between your local clock-time and GMT). Given times are NOT exact, they may err some in either direction. I do not know if the most important hexagram for the day is the one of midnight, or the one of sunrise, or two hexagrams: before and after the given time) LiSe Yi Jing, Book of the Moon www.anton-heyboer.org postmaster@aheyboer.com ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. From owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org Tue Aug 28 13:50:37 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by apocalypse.org (8.11.2/8.11.0) id f7SHobV31068 for hexagram-8-outgoing; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 13:50:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: apocalypse.org: majordom set sender to owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org using -f Received: from smtp02.wxs.nl (smtp02.wxs.nl [195.121.6.54]) by apocalypse.org (8.11.2/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f7SHoZB31064 for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 13:50:35 -0400 Received: from heybo002 ([195.121.114.66]) by smtp02.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 4.05) with SMTP id GISHK504.O1P for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 19:50:29 +0200 Message-ID: <000f01c12fea$024ae500$427279c3@heybo002> From: "LiSe" To: "hexagram-8 @apocalypse.org" Subject: HEX8: Hexagram August 26-27 Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 19:50:41 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: hexagram-8@apocalypse.org August 27 04.48 GMT until August 28 05.37 GMT: hex.37.3 August 28 05.37 GMT until August 29 06.26 GMT: hex.38.3 Hex.38.3 Seeing the cart dragged, one's oxen pulled, one's people with bent head and cut off nose. Without a beginning, there is an end. (All people are different. One can make an issue of it, a straight discussion, and in the end someone will be injured. One can make a lighthearted repartee and it will be a mutual pleasure. The same starting point, but the outcome depends on the road one chooses, the road of being put in the right or the road of interesting exchange.) Sabian Symbol: A merry-go-round. (More fun on roads without a goal.) ° Changing to 14.3 A Gong sacrifices to the Son of Heaven. Small people are not able to. (Give in a way that accords with your ability to give. Too much and too little are both wrong. But make your gift warm and sincere, don't use it for showing how great you are yourself.) Sabian Symbol: An evening lawn party. (One gives a party for all, one makes a show for oneself.) (Time is given for Greenwich Main Time. For USA subtract appr. 6 hours (11 AM will be 5 AM), for China add appr. 8 hours, for Australia add appr. 9 hours (the difference between your local clock-time and GMT). Given times are NOT exact, they may err some in either direction. I do not know if the most important hexagram for the day is the one of midnight, or the one of sunrise, or two hexagrams: before and after the given time) LiSe Yi Jing, Book of the Moon www.anton-heyboer.org postmaster@aheyboer.com ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. From owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org Thu Aug 30 14:22:24 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by apocalypse.org (8.11.2/8.11.0) id f7UIMOE30505 for hexagram-8-outgoing; Thu, 30 Aug 2001 14:22:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: apocalypse.org: majordom set sender to owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org using -f Received: from smtp02.wxs.nl (smtp02.wxs.nl [195.121.6.54]) by apocalypse.org (8.11.2/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f7UIMMB30501 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2001 14:22:22 -0400 Received: from heybo002 ([195.121.114.251]) by smtp02.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 4.05) with SMTP id GIW8D302.380 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2001 20:22:15 +0200 Message-ID: <000901c13180$c7212e60$fb7279c3@heybo002> From: "LiSe" To: "hexagram-8 @apocalypse.org" Subject: HEX8: Hexagram August 30-31 Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 20:22:28 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: hexagram-8@apocalypse.org I made several mistakes with dates. I hope nobody got confused. At the head of the mails one can find the right hexagram. August 29 06.26 GMT until August 30 07.14 GMT: hex.39.3 August 30 07.14 GMT until August 31 08.04 GMT: hex.40.3 Hex.40.3 Carrying a burden on the back and also riding a carriage. Inviting robbers to approach. Determination: distress. (Learn how to behave in society. If you don't know what can be done and what not, you will get embarrassed or worse, and you yourself are the only one to blame. At first sight following rules seems less free, but the contrary is true. If you know and employ the right behaviour, you dance through the world, and everything will cooperate. If you refuse the lessons, you will step on all toes, and they will step on yours.) Sabian Symbol: First dancing instruction. (It is all about toes.) ° Changing to 32.3 No steadiness in one's character. One might present a sheepoffering. Determination: distress. (Without consistency in one's character one gets nowhere, even with the best intentions. Not in one's own life and not with others. The result will be a life of regrets.) Sabian Symbol: An unsealed letter. (Scattering your thoughts all over the place) (Time is given for Greenwich Main Time. For USA subtract appr. 6 hours (11 AM will be 5 AM), for China add appr. 8 hours, for Australia add appr. 9 hours (the difference between your local clock-time and GMT). Given times are NOT exact, they may err some in either direction. I do not know if the most important hexagram for the day is the one of midnight, or the one of sunrise, or two hexagrams: before and after the given time) LiSe Yi Jing, Book of the Moon www.anton-heyboer.org postmaster@aheyboer.com ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. From owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org Fri Aug 31 14:50:27 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by apocalypse.org (8.11.2/8.11.0) id f7VIoRx24553 for hexagram-8-outgoing; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 14:50:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: apocalypse.org: majordom set sender to owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org using -f Received: from smtp02.wxs.nl (smtp02.wxs.nl [195.121.6.54]) by apocalypse.org (8.11.2/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f7VIoOB24549 for ; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 14:50:25 -0400 Received: from heybo002 ([195.121.114.171]) by smtp02.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 4.05) with SMTP id GIY4BT00.B5O for ; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 20:50:17 +0200 Message-ID: <000201c1324d$dda78b20$ab7279c3@heybo002> From: "LiSe" To: "hexagram-8 @apocalypse.org" Subject: HEX8: Hexagram August 31-September 1 Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 20:30:09 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: hexagram-8@apocalypse.org August 30 07.14 GMT until August 31 08.04 GMT: hex.40.3 August 31 08.04 GMT until September 1 08.50 GMT: hex.41.3 Hex.41.3 Three people moving, then the rule is one person is diminished. One person moving, then the rule is one finds a friend. (Everybody creates his own future by what he acquires and what he discards. Amassing, whether of things or of people, means diminishing spirituality and individuality. Two is company, three is a crowd. Relying on spiritual exchange instead of crowds of things or people opens the door for real emotions and contact.) Sabian Symbol: A man making a futurist drawing (Groups cannot imagine the not-yet, only an individual can.) ° Changing to 26.3 Fine horses for pursuit. Harvest: a hardship determination. Daily making fences, making carts, patrolling. Harvest: proceeding probing. (Good things do not arrive by themselves. For having a good horse, one has to make a good horse and dedicate oneself to it. For a real good one: a lifetime, maybe the lifetimes of several generations. Everything one does should rely on dedication. It makes life to Life.) Sabian Symbol: An untidy unkempt man (Maybe other things on his mind) (Time is given for Greenwich Main Time. For USA subtract appr. 6 hours (11 AM will be 5 AM), for China add appr. 8 hours, for Australia add appr. 9 hours (the difference between your local clock-time and GMT). Given times are NOT exact, they may err some in either direction. I do not know if the most important hexagram for the day is the one of midnight, or the one of sunrise, or two hexagrams: before and after the given time) LiSe Yi Jing, Book of the Moon www.anton-heyboer.org postmaster@aheyboer.com ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE.