From owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org Thu Dec 6 15:05:39 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by apocalypse.org (8.11.2/8.11.0) id fB6K5d118975 for hexagram-8-outgoing; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 15:05:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: apocalypse.org: majordom set sender to owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org using -f Received: from mail3.svr.pol.co.uk (mail3.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.19]) by apocalypse.org (8.11.2/8.11.0) with ESMTP id fB6K5WW18969 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 15:05:37 -0500 Received: from [195.92.168.141] (helo=tmailb1.svr.pol.co.uk) by mail3.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 16C4mt-0003J1-00; Thu, 06 Dec 2001 20:06:31 +0000 Received: from modem-1693.monkey.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.135.214.157] helo=m7k8o4) by tmailb1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 16C4ms-000306-00; Thu, 06 Dec 2001 20:06:31 +0000 Message-ID: <009e01c17e91$fe6b7f20$9dd687d9@m7k8o4> From: "Hilary Barrett" To: Cc: "hexagram-8" , , Subject: HEX8: Yet another question I can't answer Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 20:02:02 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: hexagram-8@apocalypse.org Hi all, Hope you don't mind the cross-posting, but this is such a recondite question I thought I'd send it to as many people as possible. Some trusting individual has sent me this message: "I have just one question. I am looking for a book, which explains the connenctions between the I-Ching and the Wing Chun-Kung Fu Style. I would be very grateful if I could get an advice where to find such a book. Thank you very much in advance!" And I am clueless. Can anyone help? Thanks! Hilary ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. From owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org Thu Dec 6 15:29:55 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by apocalypse.org (8.11.2/8.11.0) id fB6KTtx20587 for hexagram-8-outgoing; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 15:29:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: apocalypse.org: majordom set sender to owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org using -f Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by apocalypse.org (8.11.2/8.11.0) with ESMTP id fB6KTrW20583 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 15:29:54 -0500 Received: from pacbell.net ([207.215.86.81]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GNX00FYMVNHM4@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for hexagram-8@apocalypse.org; Thu, 06 Dec 2001 12:30:55 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 12:30:08 -0800 From: Ray Langley Subject: HEX8: Re: [CA] Yet another question I can't answer To: chineseastrology@yahoogroups.com Cc: IChing_YiJing@yahoogroups.com, hexagram-8 Message-id: <3C0FD550.1583BE9B@pacbell.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en]C-PBI-NC472 (Win98; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=big5 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: <009e01c17e91$fe6b7f20$9dd687d9@m7k8o4> Sender: owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: hexagram-8@apocalypse.org > Hi all, > > Hope you don't mind the cross-posting, but this is such a recondite question > I thought I'd send it to as many people as possible. Some trusting > individual has sent me this message: > > "I have just one question. > I am looking for a book, which explains the connenctions between the I-Ching > and the Wing Chun-Kung Fu Style. > I would be very grateful if I could get an advice where to find such a book. > Thank you very much in advance!" > > And I am clueless. Can anyone help? > > Thanks! > > Hilary Greeting Hilary. I began studying Wing Chun in 1994, and even traveled to mainland China with my shifu to meet some of the old masters. But, I haven't heard of any connection between Wing Chun and Yijing.... List member Dr. Twicken also studies Wing Chun and Yijing, maybe he can shed some light on this subject. Perhaps your friend is thinking of the BaGua (Pa Kua) style of kung fu? -- Ray Langley, "Have Luo Pan, Will Travel!" ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. From owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org Fri Dec 7 02:15:04 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by apocalypse.org (8.11.2/8.11.0) id fB77F4X24563 for hexagram-8-outgoing; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 02:15:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: apocalypse.org: majordom set sender to owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org using -f Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.110]) by apocalypse.org (8.11.2/8.11.0) with ESMTP id fB77F4W24559 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 02:15:04 -0500 Received: from smui01.slb.mindspring.net ([199.174.114.21]) by smtp6.mindspring.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16CFEr-0001Uf-00 for hexagram-8@apocalypse.org; Fri, 07 Dec 2001 02:16:05 -0500 Received: by smui01.slb.mindspring.net id CAA0000031436; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 02:16:04 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2001 02:16:04 -0500 From: To: hexagram-8@apocalypse.org Subject: Re: HEX8: Yet another question I can't answer Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 61.157.7.78 Sender: owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: hexagram-8@apocalypse.org Hilary, I don't know of any specific title off hand but I have a few thoughts that you might want to pass on to your friend. If I'm not mistaken, one of the early books by Bruce Lee, who studied Wing Chun in his youth, mentions some connection or the philosophical relationship between the two subjects. Does your friend read Chinese? I'm in China at the moment and can certainly see if there isn't such a book in one of the stores here. Also, although we don't directly mention Wing Chun, there is a chapter in our new book, A Brief History of Qi, that talks about qi and the martial arts. It's an indirect approach to some of the same substantive issues that might be found in a discussion of the Yi and martial arts. Hope that helps. Ken Rose hexagram-8@apocalypse.org wrote: > Hi all, Hope you don't mind the cross-posting, but this is such a recondite question I thought I'd send it to as many people as possible. Some trusting individual has sent me this message: "I have just one question. I am looking for a book, which explains the connenctions between the I-Ching and the Wing Chun-Kung Fu Style. I would be very grateful if I could get an advice where to find such a book. Thank you very much in advance!" And I am clueless. Can anyone help? Thanks! Hilary ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. From owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org Fri Dec 7 05:13:33 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by apocalypse.org (8.11.2/8.11.0) id fB7ADXQ30986 for hexagram-8-outgoing; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 05:13:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: apocalypse.org: majordom set sender to owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org using -f Received: from imo-d08.mx.aol.com (imo-d08.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.40]) by apocalypse.org (8.11.2/8.11.0) with ESMTP id fB7ADWW30982 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 05:13:32 -0500 Received: from Frankelmick@aol.com by imo-d08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id h.12d.8e01d82 (15871); Fri, 7 Dec 2001 05:14:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from web47.aolmail.aol.com (web47.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.8]) by air-id06.mx.aol.com (v82.22) with ESMTP id MAILINID610-1207051420; Fri, 07 Dec 2001 05:14:20 -0500 Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2001 05:14:20 EST From: Frankelmick@aol.com Subject: Re: HEX8: Yet another question I can't answer To: , Cc: , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <12d.8e01d82.2941f07c@aol.com> Sender: owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: hexagram-8@apocalypse.org Hilary, Just to echo what Ray said. The only connection I know of is Pa Gua Kung Fu. Here's a link for some books: http://www.pa-kua.com/Books/books.htm Regards, Mick ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. From owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org Sat Dec 8 15:58:31 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by apocalypse.org (8.11.2/8.11.0) id fB8KwVn23035 for hexagram-8-outgoing; Sat, 8 Dec 2001 15:58:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: apocalypse.org: majordom set sender to owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org using -f Received: from cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.174]) by apocalypse.org (8.11.2/8.11.0) with ESMTP id fB8KwTW23029 for ; Sat, 8 Dec 2001 15:58:30 -0500 Received: from [195.92.168.141] (helo=tmailb1.svr.pol.co.uk) by cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 16CoZS-0004nS-00; Sat, 08 Dec 2001 20:59:42 +0000 Received: from modem-1165.porcupine.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.134.196.141] helo=m7k8o4) by tmailb1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 16CoZR-0000sY-00; Sat, 08 Dec 2001 20:59:42 +0000 Message-ID: <007901c1802b$c19808c0$8dc486d9@m7k8o4> From: "Hilary Barrett" To: Cc: , "hexagram-8" , Subject: HEX8: thanks for the help Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 20:54:00 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: hexagram-8@apocalypse.org Cross posting again. Just to say thank you very much for all the thoughtful responses on Wing Chun. I have forwarded them (properly attributed!) to the questioner, and I'll let you know if I hear from him again. Thanks for bailing me out ;-) Hilary ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. From owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org Mon Dec 10 10:36:17 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by apocalypse.org (8.11.2/8.11.0) id fBAFaH801196 for hexagram-8-outgoing; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 10:36:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: apocalypse.org: majordom set sender to owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org using -f Received: from imo-m02.mx.aol.com (imo-m02.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.5]) by apocalypse.org (8.11.2/8.11.0) with ESMTP id fBAFaGP01191 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 10:36:16 -0500 Received: from Frankelmick@aol.com by imo-m02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id h.a0.1ed5588f (15862) for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 10:37:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from web35.aolmail.aol.com (web35.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.222.11]) by air-id06.mx.aol.com (v82.22) with ESMTP id MAILINID61-1210103734; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 10:37:34 -0500 Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 10:37:33 EST From: Frankelmick@aol.com Subject: HEX8: Fwd: Lecture in London To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_Part_3c14d6bd-03ba-6cbc-010203040506" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: Sender: owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: hexagram-8@apocalypse.org ------_Part_3c14d6bd-03ba-6cbc-010203040506 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I enjoyed last night's lecture at the Theosophical Society. I don't know if anyone else from Hex-8 made it along? The audience was a mixture of absolute beginners, interested newcomers and more experienced I Ching people. The lecturer, Sue, started from scratch and introduced the concepts of Yin and Yang building up to the Trigrams and Hexagrams. Nothing spectacular but she did have a medical viewpoint which was new to me. For example, she said that the 6 lines of each hexagram could be taken as, reading upwards, feet, calves, waist/thighs, abdomen, chest and head. She had several translations with her including a copy of "The Medical I Ching" (can't remember the author) which I'd never seen before. We only had about an hour and a half, so it was an enjoyable sprint through some familiar concepts, interrupted by all sorts of questions and finishing with a consultation. Sue asked the audience for a question to put to the I Ching and (surprise, surprise) someone came up with, "Will Osama Bin Laden be captured". We agreed to let each line represent a month, so that the answer covered the next 6 months. We got 56 changing line 1. Great answer to represent someone on the run from an apparently defenceless position, don't you think? There might a more advance talk planned for next year. Best wishes, Mick ------_Part_3c14d6bd-03ba-6cbc-010203040506 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: From: Frankelmick@aol.com Full-name: Frankelmick Message-ID: <6d.1d904f61.2929449b@aol.com> Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 12:06:35 EST Subject: Lecture in London To: hexagram-8@apocalypse.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part2_a0.1ed5588f.2929449b_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows UK sub 58 --part2_a0.1ed5588f.2929449b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Apologies to everyone not in London. I noticed that there's a lecture coming up entitled, "Unravelling the Yi=20 Jing" at the Theosophical Society, 50,Gloucester Place, W1 on Sunday 9th=20 December at 6:00. I don't know anything about the Theosophical Society or the presenter, Sue=20 Kalicinska but I thought I might attend the lecture and I wondered if anyon= e=20 else would be interested. Here's their web address: www.theosophical-society.org.uk Here's the description of the lecture copied from the website: "The Universe is in a constant state of transformation. Matter and energy=20 interchange continuously. Now light, now dark, the lines of the 64 hexagrams= =20 that comprise the Yi Jing mirror this transformation. This talk investigates= =20 how the ancient Chinese Book of Changes can be used to understand the=20 complexity of manifestation and unfold our spirituality in daily life. Sue=20 Kalicinska, has been a keen student of Yi Jing for nearly 20 years. She is a= n=20 acupuncturist and runs her multi-disciplinary clinic in Camberley. Admission= =20 =A34, =A33 concessions/Theosophical Society members. Society." =20 Best wishes, Mick --part2_a0.1ed5588f.2929449b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Apologies to everyone not= in London.

I noticed that there's a lecture coming up entitled, "Unravelling the Yi= Jing" at the Theosophical Society, 50,Gloucester Place, W1 on Sunday 9th De= cember at 6:00.

I don't know anything about the Theosophical Society or the presenter, S= ue Kalicinska  but I thought I might attend the lecture and I wondered=20= if anyone else would be interested.

Here's their web address: www.theosophical-society.org.uk

Here's the description of the lecture copied from the website:
"The Universe is in a constant state of transformation. Matter and energ= y interchange continuously. Now light, now dark, the lines of the 64 hexagra= ms that comprise the Yi Jing mirror this transformation. This talk investiga= tes how the ancient Chinese Book of Changes can be used to understand the co= mplexity of manifestation and unfold our spirituality in daily life. = Sue Kalicinska, has been a keen student of Yi Jing for nearly 20 y= ears. She is an acupuncturist and runs her multi-disciplinary clinic in Camb= erley. Admission =A34, =A33 concessions/Theosophical Society members. Societ= y." =20

Best wishes,

Mick --part2_a0.1ed5588f.2929449b_boundary-- ------_Part_3c14d6bd-03ba-6cbc-010203040506-- ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. From owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org Thu Dec 27 08:42:56 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by apocalypse.org (8.11.2/8.11.0) id fBRDgue14673 for hexagram-8-outgoing; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 08:42:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: apocalypse.org: majordom set sender to owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org using -f Received: from imo-m08.mx.aol.com (imo-m08.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.163]) by apocalypse.org (8.11.2/8.11.0) with ESMTP id fBRDgto14669 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 08:42:55 -0500 Received: from Frankelmick@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id h.115.a0a700c (15880) for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 08:46:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from web28.aolmail.aol.com (web28.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.222.4]) by air-id07.mx.aol.com (v82.22) with ESMTP id MAILINID77-1227084629; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 08:46:29 -0500 Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 08:46:24 EST From: Frankelmick@aol.com Subject: HEX8: I Ching Master To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <115.a0a700c.295c8036@aol.com> Sender: owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: hexagram-8@apocalypse.org Hope everyone is having a nice Winter break. Today I came across Master Alfred Huang's website: http://www.ichingmaster.net/ For those who don't know it, I'd say it's definitely worth a look. If only the "studies" section were complete, then it would be a really great site. Any thoughts anyone? I also discovered that Master Huang was scheduled to visit Europe last Summer for a conference in Zurich amongst other things. I'd have loved to have gone, did anyone on this list attend his workshops? Regards and best wishes for 2002, Mick ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE.