From owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org Fri Feb 15 00:10:16 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by apocalypse.org (8.11.2/8.11.0) id g1F5AGN02325 for hexagram-8-outgoing; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 00:10:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: apocalypse.org: majordom set sender to owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org using -f Received: from femail22.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail22.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.147]) by apocalypse.org (8.11.2/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g1F5AFk02321 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 00:10:15 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.11] ([68.49.48.71]) by femail22.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20020215051029.ZXQS22522.femail22.sdc1.sfba.home.com@[192.168.0.11]>; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 21:10:29 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 00:10:19 -0500 To: Midaughter@onelist.com, IChing_YiJing@yahoogroups.com, hexagram-8@apocalypse.org From: "Dr R. Butler" Subject: HEX8: South Pole Sender: owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: hexagram-8@apocalypse.org Aloha All, I just returned from the South Pole, and would like to share two experiences with you. First, leaving Christchurch New Zealand for Antarctica, my boarding pass number for the flight was #46, "Departure toward the South brings Good Fortune." A welcome coincidence! In such a unique place I decided to ask the Yi about the South Pole. Concentrating on the "South Pole" I walked from the Dome of the South Pole Station to the geographic marker at the Pole. I used three US pennies, and setting them on the top of the marker which sits on a pole about three feet above the ice, thought about the South Pole standing at the Pole, and flicked the pennies to the ice. They landed flat, and I wrote the line on a piece of paper, using the marker as a flat surface. My pen froze. It was about -37F. I picked up the coins, thought about the South Pole again and tosssed them on the marker again, where they fell to the ice. This time I wrote the line using the frozen pen to indent the paper. Four more times I repeated the thought and tossed the coins. --- --- --- - - --- --- #10, no moving Lines Journeying and Returning, W/B: TREADING(Conduct) The Judgement Treading upon the tail of the tiger. It does not bite the man. Success. Standing there in my extreme cold weather gear, I found this humorous and insightful. If the Tiger were the Earth, indeed I was treading on the Tail and not bitten, frostbitten or otherwise! In the symbolism of Trigrams, above is the cold blue sky of the Heaven, and below my feet about 2 miles of ice, the Lake frozen. In my own translation of #10, Journeying and Returning, the South Pole captures this essence. The Journey is an adventure itself. It is not a place to put down roots and live, rather, one returns northward. From the W/B perspective, treading has quite overt symbolism. In every walking moment at the South Pole, the distinctive and loud crunch of one's bootstep in the brittle, dry snow is a constant presence speaking aloud in conversation. Without any preconceived notion, the Yi's image of the treading on the Tiger's tail, journeying to the end of the Earth and Returning seems quite appropriate. In such a place, caution, respect, and preparation (and awe) for the Tiger lead to success. Not bitten, the beauty is overwhelming. Hexagram #10 will always contain this image for me. Snowy tiger smiles As the Earth silently spins Blue sky, frozen lake All the best, Rhett ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. From owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org Sun Feb 17 12:55:21 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by apocalypse.org (8.11.2/8.11.0) id g1HHtLc25451 for hexagram-8-outgoing; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 12:55:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: apocalypse.org: majordom set sender to owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org using -f Received: from ns.geo.net.ge (ns.geo.net.ge [80.83.128.32]) by apocalypse.org (8.11.2/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g1HHtJk25447 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 12:55:20 -0500 Received: (from root@localhost) by ns.geo.net.ge (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g1HHtZo14126 for hexagram-8@apocalypse.org.SHIELD; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 21:55:35 +0400 Received: from pamela ([80.83.129.117]) by ns.geo.net.ge (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g1HHtXK14118 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 21:55:34 +0400 Message-ID: <002201c1b7dc$0c8addc0$75815350@pamela> From: "Nakashidze" To: Subject: Re: HEX8: South Pole Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 21:52:50 +0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 Sender: owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: hexagram-8@apocalypse.org Dear Rhett Thank you very much for your interesting experience. By the way I want to congratulate you and all members of our list with the New Year of Black Horse. "The powerful prince is honored with horses in large numbers." All the best Timur -----Original Message----- From: Dr R. Butler To: ; ; Date: Friday, February 15, 2002 9:13 AM Subject: HEX8: South Pole > >Aloha All, > >I just returned from the South Pole, and would like to share two >experiences with you. > >First, leaving Christchurch New Zealand for Antarctica, my boarding pass >number for the flight was #46, "Departure toward the South brings Good >Fortune." A welcome coincidence! > >In such a unique place I decided to ask the Yi about the South Pole. > >Concentrating on the "South Pole" I walked from the Dome of the South Pole >Station to the geographic marker at the Pole. I used three US pennies, and >setting them on the top of the marker which sits on a pole about three feet >above the ice, thought about the South Pole standing at the Pole, and >flicked the pennies to the ice. They landed flat, and I wrote the line on >a piece of paper, using the marker as a flat surface. > >My pen froze. It was about -37F. I picked up the coins, thought about the >South Pole again and tosssed them on the marker again, where they fell to >the ice. This time I wrote the line using the frozen pen to indent the >paper. Four more times I repeated the thought and tossed the coins. > > > >--- >--- >--- >- - >--- >--- > > >#10, no moving Lines > >Journeying and Returning, > >W/B: TREADING(Conduct) > >The Judgement > >Treading upon the tail of the tiger. >It does not bite the man. Success. > > >Standing there in my extreme cold weather gear, I found this humorous and >insightful. If the Tiger were the Earth, indeed I was treading on the Tail >and not bitten, frostbitten or otherwise! > >In the symbolism of Trigrams, above is the cold blue sky of the Heaven, and >below my feet about 2 miles of ice, the Lake frozen. > >In my own translation of #10, Journeying and Returning, the South Pole >captures this essence. The Journey is an adventure itself. It is not a >place to put down roots and live, rather, one returns northward. From the >W/B perspective, treading has quite overt symbolism. In every walking >moment at the South Pole, the distinctive and loud crunch of one's bootstep >in the brittle, dry snow is a constant presence speaking aloud in >conversation. > >Without any preconceived notion, the Yi's image of the treading on the >Tiger's tail, journeying to the end of the Earth and Returning seems quite >appropriate. In such a place, caution, respect, and preparation (and awe) >for the Tiger lead to success. Not bitten, the beauty is overwhelming. >Hexagram #10 will always contain this image for me. > > > Snowy tiger smiles > As the Earth silently spins > Blue sky, frozen lake > > >All the best, > >Rhett > > > > >===== >To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org >from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. > ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. From owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org Sun Feb 17 17:14:27 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by apocalypse.org (8.11.2/8.11.0) id g1HMERu01457 for hexagram-8-outgoing; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 17:14:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: apocalypse.org: majordom set sender to owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org using -f Received: from imo-r05.mx.aol.com (imo-r05.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.101]) by apocalypse.org (8.11.2/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g1HMEQk01453 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 17:14:26 -0500 Received: from Frankelmick@aol.com by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id h.a0.2243ce9c (4441) for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 17:14:53 -0500 (EST) From: Frankelmick@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 17:14:53 EST Subject: HEX8: Lester Bangs To: hexagram-8@apocalypse.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_a0.2243ce9c.29a1855d_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows UK sub 58 Sender: owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: hexagram-8@apocalypse.org --part1_a0.2243ce9c.29a1855d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello everyone, Apologies if I ramble on a bit but I recently finished reading "Let It Blurt: The Life And Times Of Lester Bangs" by Jim DeRogatis. (Lester Bangs was a music critic, arguably the man who invented rock journalism as we know it). Anyway, as I was reading the first few pages it struck me that the events on some of the pages seemed to correspond to the hexagram given by the page number. For example, page 7 has reference to the Army, page 8 talks about the family finding a friendly community, page 23 describes Lester's disdain for authority "breaking up" the entire class, page 24 describes the turning point in his early life and so on. Now I would have dismissed all this as coincidence and my overactive imagination were it not for this quote from Lester on page 37: "As was my wont at the time, I threw the I Ching to find out which drug I should take." I was startled but then I thought, "Well perhaps I'd unconsciously noticed the reference to the I Ching and that made me notice the chance references." Then I thought again. The I Ching is not mentioned anywhere else in the book so I started to look at how hx 37 might represent the I Ching. I remembered a reading where Hilary had asked about the difference between the I Ching and dream interpretation and received the answer hx 37 (changing to hx 63 if I remember rightly?). At the time I suggested that perhaps hx 37 was a reference to the family of trigrams? Has anyone else got any thoughts about hx 37? And has anyone else had a similar experience reading a book which they thought had nothing to do with the I Ching? Best wishes, Mick http://www.north-node.com/ --part1_a0.2243ce9c.29a1855d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello everyone,

Apologies if I ramble on a bit but I recently finished reading "Let It Blurt: The Life And Times Of Lester Bangs" by Jim DeRogatis.

(Lester Bangs was a music critic, arguably the man who invented rock journalism as we know it).

Anyway, as I was reading the first few pages it struck me that the events on some of the pages seemed to correspond to the hexagram given by the page number. For example, page 7 has reference to the Army, page 8 talks about the family finding a friendly community, page 23 describes Lester's disdain for authority "breaking up" the entire class,  page 24 describes the turning point in his early life and so on.

Now I would have dismissed all this as coincidence and my overactive imagination were it not for this quote from Lester on page 37:

"As was my wont at the time, I threw the I Ching to find out which drug I should take."

I was startled but then I thought, "Well perhaps I'd unconsciously noticed the reference to the I Ching and that made me notice the chance references."

Then I thought again. The I Ching is not mentioned anywhere else in the book so I started to look at how hx 37 might represent the I Ching.

I remembered a reading where Hilary had asked about the difference between the I Ching and dream interpretation and received the answer hx 37 (changing to hx 63 if I remember rightly?).

At the time I suggested that perhaps hx 37 was a reference to the family of trigrams?

Has anyone else got any thoughts about hx 37? And has anyone else had a similar experience reading a book which they thought had nothing to do with the I Ching?

Best wishes,

Mick
http://www.north-node.com/ --part1_a0.2243ce9c.29a1855d_boundary-- ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. From owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org Thu Feb 21 23:24:18 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by apocalypse.org (8.11.2/8.11.0) id g1M4OIM32524 for hexagram-8-outgoing; Thu, 21 Feb 2002 23:24:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: apocalypse.org: majordom set sender to owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org using -f Received: from mail.independence.net (s1.independence.net [204.144.177.35]) by apocalypse.org (8.11.2/8.11.0) with SMTP id g1M4OHk32520 for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2002 23:24:17 -0500 Received: (qmail 5461 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2002 04:25:11 -0000 Received: from ridgway307.independence.net (HELO independence.net) (204.144.177.71) by mail.independence.net with SMTP; 22 Feb 2002 04:25:11 -0000 Message-ID: <3C75D636.5F0924AB@independence.net> Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 21:25:10 -0800 From: Bradford Hatcher X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "hexagram-8@apocalypse.org" Subject: HEX8: Yijing in Big5 & Pinyin Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: hexagram-8@apocalypse.org Hi everybody- As some of you may know, there seems to be only one internet Chinese version of the Yijing circulating the web in various forms - the one entered by Wang Minghui and found on sites like these: http://www.chinapage.com/classic/iching/iching.html#12 http://ww1.cnd.org/BIG5/Classics/Philosophers/I_Ching/ http://www.pale.org/ching/index.html http://www.polyu.edu.hk/~itsamuel/I_Ching_b5.html and also this version of the Da Xiang: http://socrates.berkeley.edu/%7Erscook/html/DX-about.html Unfortunately, it seems nobody has taken the time to correct the errors in this text, and there are literally hundreds of them- in characters, words, Pinyin spelling, Pinyin tones, parsing and lots of simple lacunae unaccompanied by the Pinyin countrpart. Also, unfortunately, waiting hasn't accomplished anything, so I've begun to undertake this task myself. I'm about two or three weeks from completing the job, and maybe six months to a year away from posting it to my new website (not online yet). I thought I'd post this here to see a) if anyone had the same idea, or 2) if anyone had an interest in seeing the draft version ahead of this more public posting. Any interest? Brad bradford@independence.net ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. From owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org Sun Feb 24 02:15:24 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by apocalypse.org (8.11.2/8.11.0) id g1O7FO817612 for hexagram-8-outgoing; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 02:15:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: apocalypse.org: majordom set sender to owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org using -f Received: from smtp05.wxs.nl (smtp05.wxs.nl [195.121.6.57]) by apocalypse.org (8.11.2/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g1O7FNk17608 for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 02:15:23 -0500 Received: from itcn ([213.10.53.72]) by smtp05.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GS107P00.8O9 for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 08:16:37 +0100 Message-ID: <003201c1bd03$34ca4fb0$9600000a@itcn> From: "Harmen Mesker \(ITCN\)" To: References: <3C75D636.5F0924AB@independence.net> Subject: HEX8: Re: Yijing in Big5 & Pinyin Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 08:16:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002F_01C1BD0B.9643CC00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: hexagram-8@apocalypse.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C1BD0B.9643CC00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Bradford, You could check these sites for other Chinese version of the text: http://home.i-cable.com/yourwrite/classical/yijing/yij-index.html (not = complete yet) http://www.yohonet.com.tw/index1/fourt1/easy4.html http://home.netvigator.com/~zhouyi/zzz.htm http://www.people.fas.harvard.edu/~yfeng//confucian/zhuzuo/zhouyi/zhouyis= huoming.htm http://www.yaintech.com/pohwong/new_page_42.htm I hope this helps. Best, Harmen. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bradford Hatcher" To: Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 6:25 AM Subject: HEX8: Yijing in Big5 & Pinyin > Hi everybody- > > As some of you may know, there seems to be only one internet Chinese > version of the Yijing circulating the web in various forms - the one > entered by Wang Minghui and found on sites like these: > > http://www.chinapage.com/classic/iching/iching.html#12 > http://ww1.cnd.org/BIG5/Classics/Philosophers/I_Ching/ > http://www.pale.org/ching/index.html > http://www.polyu.edu.hk/~itsamuel/I_Ching_b5.html > > and also this version of the Da Xiang: > > http://socrates.berkeley.edu/%7Erscook/html/DX-about.html > > Unfortunately, it seems nobody has taken the time to correct the = errors > in this text, and there are literally hundreds of them- in characters, > words, Pinyin spelling, Pinyin tones, parsing and lots of simple = lacunae > unaccompanied by the Pinyin countrpart. > Also, unfortunately, waiting hasn't accomplished anything, so I've > begun to undertake this task myself. I'm about two or three weeks = from > completing the job, and maybe six months to a year away from posting = it > to my new website (not online yet). > I thought I'd post this here to see a) if anyone had the same idea, or > 2) if anyone had an interest in seeing the draft version ahead of this > more public posting. > Any interest? > Brad > bradford@independence.net > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to = majordomo@apocalypse.org > from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. > ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C1BD0B.9643CC00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Bradford,

You could check = these sites=20 for other Chinese version of the text:

http://home.i-cable.com/yourwrite/classical/yijing/yij-index.htm= l (not complete yet)
http://www.yohonet.com.tw/index1/fourt1/easy4.htmlhttp://home.netvigator.com/~zhouyi/zzz.htm
http://www.people.fas.harvard.edu/~yfeng//confucian/= zhuzuo/zhouyi/zhouyishuoming.htm
http://www.yaintech.com/pohwong/new_page_42.htm
I hope this = helps.

Best,

Harmen.

-----=20 Original Message -----
From: "Bradford Hatcher" <bradford@independence.net>
To:=20 <hexagram-8@apocalypse.org>
Sent:=20 Friday, February 22, 2002 6:25 AM
Subject: HEX8: Yijing in Big5 & = Pinyin


> Hi everybody-
>
> As some of you may = know,=20 there seems to be only one internet Chinese
> version of the = Yijing=20 circulating the web in various forms - the one
> entered by Wang = Minghui=20 and found on sites like these:
>
> http://www.chinapage.com/classic/iching/iching.html#12
> http://ww1.cnd.org/BIG5/Classics/Philosophers/I_Ching/
> http://www.pale.org/ching/index.html
> http://www.polyu.edu.hk/~itsamuel/I_Ching_b5.html
= >
> and also this version of the Da=20 Xiang:
>
> http://socrates.berkeley.edu/%7Erscook/html/DX-about.html=
>
> Unfortunately, it seems nobody has = taken the time=20 to correct the errors
> in this text, and there are literally = hundreds of=20 them- in characters,
> words, Pinyin spelling, Pinyin tones, = parsing and=20 lots of simple lacunae
> unaccompanied by the Pinyin = countrpart.
>=20 Also, unfortunately, waiting hasn't accomplished anything, so = I've
> begun=20 to undertake this task myself.  I'm about two or three weeks = from
>=20 completing the job, and maybe six months to a year away from posting = it
>=20 to my new website (not online yet).
> I thought I'd post this here = to see=20 a) if anyone had the same idea, or
> 2) if anyone had an interest = in=20 seeing the draft version ahead of this
> more public = posting.
> Any=20 interest?
> Brad
> bradford@independence.net
>
>
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
> To unsubscribe = from Hexagram-8, send a=20 message to majordomo@apocalypse.org

>=20 from the address subscribed, containing just the word=20 UNSUBSCRIBE.
>
 ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C1BD0B.9643CC00-- ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. From owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org Sun Feb 24 03:51:58 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by apocalypse.org (8.11.2/8.11.0) id g1O8pwI19874 for hexagram-8-outgoing; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 03:51:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: apocalypse.org: majordom set sender to owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org using -f Received: from mail.independence.net (s1.independence.net [204.144.177.35]) by apocalypse.org (8.11.2/8.11.0) with SMTP id g1O8pvk19870 for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 03:51:57 -0500 Received: (qmail 6259 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2002 08:26:30 -0000 Received: from ridgway306.independence.net (HELO independence.net) (204.144.177.70) by mail.independence.net with SMTP; 24 Feb 2002 08:26:30 -0000 Message-ID: <3C78B1BC.83FA1964@independence.net> Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 01:26:21 -0800 From: Bradford Hatcher X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hexagram-8@apocalypse.org Subject: HEX8: Re: Harmen's Links References: <3C75D636.5F0924AB@independence.net> <003201c1bd03$34ca4fb0$9600000a@itcn> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------A6E03083BD968C873EBB9C82" Sender: owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: hexagram-8@apocalypse.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------A6E03083BD968C873EBB9C82 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > "Harmen Mesker (ITCN)" wrote: > You could check these sites for other Chinese version of the text: > http://home.i-cable.com/yourwrite/classical/yijing/yij-index.html (not > complete yet) > http://www.yohonet.com.tw/index1/fourt1/easy4.html > http://home.netvigator.com/~zhouyi/zzz.htm > http://www.people.fas.harvard.edu/~yfeng//confucian/zhuzuo/zhouyi/zhouyishuoming.htm > http://www.yaintech.com/pohwong/new_page_42.htm Hi Harmen- It's always good to hear from you. Thanks. These links will make a great addition to my collection, a good cross check to the work I'm doing, and a good source of Big 5 characters if my dictionary ever fails me (hasn't yet). Alas, none of them have the Pinyin and tones that I need for my personal purposes, so I'm still pushing forward with the effort. I'm really new at HTML, but I'm going to try posting one of the Gua right here as an experiment. I thought Hexagram 8 might be appropriate. Forgive me if it gets all munged in the sending, but we live and we learn. Brad --------------A6E03083BD968C873EBB9C82 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="522A6368"; name="08.htm" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Description: Unknown Document Content-Disposition: inline; filename="08.htm" 08 Netscape 比  第八卦         水地        比   坎上下坤
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bi3  ji2   yuan2 shi4 yuan2 yong3 zhen1 wu2 jiu4

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bu4 ning2 fang1 lai2 hou4 fu1 xiong1
 

彖曰：     比， 吉也。 比，輔也。 下順從也。
tuan4 yue1 bi3   ji2 ye3  bi3  fu3 ye3 xia4 shun4 cong2 ye3

原筮元永貞無咎，                        以剛中也。
yuan2 shi4 yuan2 yong3 zhen1 wu2 jiu4 yi3 gang1 zhong1 ye3

不寧方來，          上下應也。
bu4 ning2 fang1 lai2 shang4 xia4 ying4 ye3

後夫凶，        其道窮也。
hou4 fu1 xiong1 qi2 dao4 qiong2 ye3
 

象曰：      地上有水，            比﹔
xiang4 yue1 di4 shang4 you3 shui3 bi3

先王以建萬國親諸侯。
xian1 wang2 yi3 jian4 wan4 guo2 qin1 zhu1 hou2
 

初六：   有孚比之，        無咎。  有孚盈缶，
chu1 liu4 you3 fu2 bi3 zhi1 wu2 jiu4 you3 fu2 ying2 fou3

終來有他吉。
zhong1 lai2 you3 ta1 ji2

象曰：      比之初六，        有他吉也。
xiang4 yue1 bi3 zhi1 chu1 liu4 you3 ta1 ji2 ye3

六二： 比之自內，       貞吉。
liu4 er4 bi3 zhi1 zi4 nei4 zhen1 ji2

象曰：      比之自內，      不自失也。
xiang4 yue1 bi3 zhi1 zi4 nei4 bu4 zi4 shi1 ye3

六三：   比之匪人。
liu4 san1 bi3 zhi1 fei3 ren2

象曰：      比之匪人，       不亦傷乎！
xiang4 yue1 bi3 zhi1 fei3 ren2 bu4 yi4 shang1 hu1

六四： 外比之，     貞吉。
liu4 si4 wai4 bi3 zhi1 zhen1 ji2

象曰：       外比於賢，        以從上也。
xiang4 yue1 wai4 bi3 yu2 xian2 yi3 cong2 shang4 ye3

九五：   顯比，   王用三驅，            失前禽。
jiu3 wu3 xian3 bi3 wang2 yong4 san1 qu1 shi1 qian2 qin2

邑人不誡，      吉。
yi4 ren2 bu4 jie4 ji2

象曰：       顯比之吉，      位正中也。
xiang4 yue1 xian3 bi3 zhi1 ji2 wei4 zheng4 zhong1 ye3

舍逆取順，         失前禽也。
she3 ni4 qu3 shun4 shi1 qian2 qin2 ye3

邑人不誡，       上使中也。
yi4 ren2 bu4 jie4 shang4 shi3 zhong1 ye3

上六：     比之無首，          凶。
shang4 liu4 bi3 zhi1 wu2 shou3 xiong1

象曰：      比之無首，          無所終也。
xiang4 yue1 bi3 zhi1 wu2 shou3 wu2 suo3 zhong1 ye3
 
 
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From owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org Sun Feb 24 07:25:21 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by apocalypse.org (8.11.2/8.11.0) id g1OCPLd30489 for hexagram-8-outgoing; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 07:25:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: apocalypse.org: majordom set sender to owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org using -f Received: from smtp03.wxs.nl (smtp03.wxs.nl [195.121.6.37]) by apocalypse.org (8.11.2/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g1OCPKk30485 for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 07:25:20 -0500 Received: from itcn ([213.10.53.72]) by smtp03.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GS1EKB02.Q1K for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 13:26:35 +0100 Message-ID: <000c01c1bd2e$820426e0$9600000a@itcn> From: "Harmen Mesker \(ITCN\)" To: References: <3C75D636.5F0924AB@independence.net> <003201c1bd03$34ca4fb0$9600000a@itcn> <3C78B1BC.83FA1964@independence.net> Subject: HEX8: Re: Re: Harmen's Links Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 13:26:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01C1BD36.E360A550" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: hexagram-8@apocalypse.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C1BD36.E360A550 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="big5" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 08 NetscapeHi Bradford, Maybe this site contains all you want? http://www.pale.org/ching/ Best, Harmen. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bradford Hatcher=20 To: hexagram-8@apocalypse.org=20 Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 10:26 AM Subject: HEX8: Re: Harmen's Links > "Harmen Mesker (ITCN)" wrote: > You could check these sites for other Chinese version of the text: > http://home.i-cable.com/yourwrite/classical/yijing/yij-index.html = (not > complete yet) > http://www.yohonet.com.tw/index1/fourt1/easy4.html > http://home.netvigator.com/~zhouyi/zzz.htm > = http://www.people.fas.harvard.edu/~yfeng//confucian/zhuzuo/zhouyi/zhouyis= huoming.htm > http://www.yaintech.com/pohwong/new_page_42.htm Hi Harmen- It's always good to hear from you. Thanks. These links will make a great addition to my collection, a good cross check to the work I'm doing, and a good source=20 of Big 5 characters if my dictionary ever fails me (hasn't yet). Alas, none of them have the Pinyin and tones that I need for my personal purposes, so I'm still pushing forward with the effort. I'm really new at HTML, but I'm going to try posting one of=20 the Gua right here as an experiment. I thought Hexagram 8 might be appropriate. Forgive me if it gets all munged in the sending, but we live and we learn. Brad -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- =A4=F1 =B2=C4=A4K=A8=F6 =A4=F4=A6a =A4=F1 = =A7=A2=A4W=A4U=A9[=20 bi3 di4 ba1 gua4 shui3 di4 bi3 kan3 shang4 xia4 kun1=20 =20 =A4=F1=A1G=A6N=A1C=AD=EC=B8b=A4=B8=A5=C3=ADs=A1A = =B5L=A9S=A1C=20 bi3 ji2 yuan2 shi4 yuan2 yong3 zhen1 wu2 jiu4=20 =A4=A3=B9=E7=A4=E8=A8=D3=A1A =AB=E1=A4=D2=A4=BF=A1C=20 bu4 ning2 fang1 lai2 hou4 fu1 xiong1=20 =20 =CE=BD=A4=EA=A1G =A4=F1=A1A =A6N=A4]=A1C =A4=F1=A1A=BB=B2=A4]=A1C = =A4U=B6=B6=B1q=A4]=A1C=20 tuan4 yue1 bi3 ji2 ye3 bi3 fu3 ye3 xia4 shun4 cong2 ye3=20 =AD=EC=B8b=A4=B8=A5=C3=ADs=B5L=A9S=A1A = =A5H=AD=E8=A4=A4=A4]=A1C=20 yuan2 shi4 yuan2 yong3 zhen1 wu2 jiu4 yi3 gang1 zhong1 ye3=20 =A4=A3=B9=E7=A4=E8=A8=D3=A1A =A4W=A4U=C0=B3=A4]=A1C=20 bu4 ning2 fang1 lai2 shang4 xia4 ying4 ye3=20 =AB=E1=A4=D2=A4=BF=A1A =A8=E4=B9D=BDa=A4]=A1C=20 hou4 fu1 xiong1 qi2 dao4 qiong2 ye3=20 =20 =B6H=A4=EA=A1G =A6a=A4W=A6=B3=A4=F4=A1A =A4=F1=A1Q=20 xiang4 yue1 di4 shang4 you3 shui3 bi3=20 =A5=FD=A4=FD=A5H=AB=D8=B8U=B0=EA=BF=CB=BD=D1=ABJ=A1C=20 xian1 wang2 yi3 jian4 wan4 guo2 qin1 zhu1 hou2=20 =20 =AA=EC=A4=BB=A1G =A6=B3=A7=B7=A4=F1=A4=A7=A1A =B5L=A9S=A1C = =A6=B3=A7=B7=AC=D5=A6=CE=A1A=20 chu1 liu4 you3 fu2 bi3 zhi1 wu2 jiu4 you3 fu2 ying2 fou3=20 =B2=D7=A8=D3=A6=B3=A5L=A6N=A1C=20 zhong1 lai2 you3 ta1 ji2=20 =B6H=A4=EA=A1G =A4=F1=A4=A7=AA=EC=A4=BB=A1A = =A6=B3=A5L=A6N=A4]=A1C=20 xiang4 yue1 bi3 zhi1 chu1 liu4 you3 ta1 ji2 ye3=20 =A4=BB=A4G=A1G =A4=F1=A4=A7=A6=DB=A4=BA=A1A =ADs=A6N=A1C=20 liu4 er4 bi3 zhi1 zi4 nei4 zhen1 ji2=20 =B6H=A4=EA=A1G =A4=F1=A4=A7=A6=DB=A4=BA=A1A = =A4=A3=A6=DB=A5=A2=A4]=A1C=20 xiang4 yue1 bi3 zhi1 zi4 nei4 bu4 zi4 shi1 ye3=20 =A4=BB=A4T=A1G =A4=F1=A4=A7=AD=EA=A4H=A1C=20 liu4 san1 bi3 zhi1 fei3 ren2=20 =B6H=A4=EA=A1G =A4=F1=A4=A7=AD=EA=A4H=A1A = =A4=A3=A5=E7=B6=CB=A5G=A1I=20 xiang4 yue1 bi3 zhi1 fei3 ren2 bu4 yi4 shang1 hu1=20 =A4=BB=A5|=A1G =A5~=A4=F1=A4=A7=A1A =ADs=A6N=A1C=20 liu4 si4 wai4 bi3 zhi1 zhen1 ji2=20 =B6H=A4=EA=A1G =A5~=A4=F1=A9=F3=BD=E5=A1A = =A5H=B1q=A4W=A4]=A1C=20 xiang4 yue1 wai4 bi3 yu2 xian2 yi3 cong2 shang4 ye3=20 =A4E=A4=AD=A1G =C5=E3=A4=F1=A1A =A4=FD=A5=CE=A4T=C5X=A1A = =A5=A2=ABe=B8V=A1C=20 jiu3 wu3 xian3 bi3 wang2 yong4 san1 qu1 shi1 qian2 qin2=20 =A8=B6=A4H=A4=A3=BB|=A1A =A6N=A1C=20 yi4 ren2 bu4 jie4 ji2=20 =B6H=A4=EA=A1G =C5=E3=A4=F1=A4=A7=A6N=A1A = =A6=EC=A5=BF=A4=A4=A4]=A1C=20 xiang4 yue1 xian3 bi3 zhi1 ji2 wei4 zheng4 zhong1 ye3=20 =AA=D9=B0f=A8=FA=B6=B6=A1A =A5=A2=ABe=B8V=A4]=A1C=20 she3 ni4 qu3 shun4 shi1 qian2 qin2 ye3=20 =A8=B6=A4H=A4=A3=BB|=A1A =A4W=A8=CF=A4=A4=A4]=A1C=20 yi4 ren2 bu4 jie4 shang4 shi3 zhong1 ye3=20 =A4W=A4=BB=A1G =A4=F1=A4=A7=B5L=AD=BA=A1A =A4=BF=A1C=20 shang4 liu4 bi3 zhi1 wu2 shou3 xiong1=20 =B6H=A4=EA=A1G =A4=F1=A4=A7=B5L=AD=BA=A1A = =B5L=A9=D2=B2=D7=A4]=A1C=20 xiang4 yue1 bi3 zhi1 wu2 shou3 wu2 suo3 zhong1 ye3=20 =20 =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C1BD36.E360A550 Content-Type: text/html; charset="big5" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 08 Netscape

Hi Bradford,
 
Maybe this site contains all you = want?
 
http://www.pale.org/ching/=
 
Best,
 
Harmen.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Bradford Hatcher
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 = 10:26=20 AM
Subject: HEX8: Re: Harmen's = Links



> "Harmen Mesker (ITCN)" wrote:
> You = could=20 check these sites for other Chinese version of the text:
> http://home.i-cable.com/yourwrite/classical/yijing/yij-index.html=20 (not
> complete yet)
> http://www.yo= honet.com.tw/index1/fourt1/easy4.html
>=20 http://home.netvigato= r.com/~zhouyi/zzz.htm
>=20 http://www.people.fas.harvard.edu/~yfeng//confucian/= zhuzuo/zhouyi/zhouyishuoming.htm
>=20 http://www.yaintech.com/pohwong/new_page_42.htm

Hi = Harmen-
It's=20 always good to hear from you.  Thanks.
These links will make a = great=20 addition to my collection,
a good cross check to the work I'm = doing, and a=20 good source
of Big 5 characters if my dictionary ever fails me = (hasn't=20 yet).
Alas, none of them have the Pinyin and tones that I need for=20 my
personal purposes, so I'm still pushing forward with the = effort.
I'm=20 really new at HTML, but I'm going to try posting one of
the Gua = right here=20 as an experiment.  I thought Hexagram 8 might be
appropriate. = Forgive=20 me if it gets all munged in the sending, but
we live and we = learn.
Brad

=A4=F1 =20 =B2=C4=A4K=A8=F6        =20 =A4=F4=A6a        = =A4=F1   =A7=A2=A4W=A4U=A9[
bi3     di4 ba1 gua4   = shui3=20 di4   bi3   kan3 shang4 xia4 kun1
 =20 =

=A4=F1=A1G=A6N=A1C=AD=EC=B8b=A4=B8=A5=C3=ADs=A1A   &nbs= p;            = ;   =20 =B5L=A9S=A1C
bi3  ji2   yuan2 shi4 yuan2 yong3 = zhen1 wu2 jiu4=20 =

=A4=A3=B9=E7=A4=E8=A8=D3=A1A       =    =AB=E1=A4=D2=A4=BF=A1C
bu4=20 ning2 fang1 lai2 hou4 fu1 xiong1
 =20

=CE=BD=A4=EA=A1G     =A4=F1=A1A =A6N=A4]=A1C = =A4=F1=A1A=BB=B2=A4]=A1C =A4U=B6=B6=B1q=A4]=A1C
tuan4 yue1=20 bi3   ji2 ye3  bi3  fu3 ye3 xia4 shun4 cong2 ye3=20 =

=AD=EC=B8b=A4=B8=A5=C3=ADs=B5L=A9S=A1A     &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;     =20 =A5H=AD=E8=A4=A4=A4]=A1C
yuan2 shi4 yuan2 yong3 zhen1 wu2 jiu4 yi3 = gang1 zhong1 ye3=20 =

=A4=A3=B9=E7=A4=E8=A8=D3=A1A       =    =A4W=A4U=C0=B3=A4]=A1C
bu4=20 ning2 fang1 lai2 shang4 xia4 ying4 ye3=20

=AB=E1=A4=D2=A4=BF=A1A        = =A8=E4=B9D=BDa=A4]=A1C
hou4 fu1 xiong1=20 qi2 dao4 qiong2 ye3
 =20

=B6H=A4=EA=A1G     =20 = =A6a=A4W=A6=B3=A4=F4=A1A        &= nbsp;   =A4=F1=A1Q=20
xiang4 yue1 di4 shang4 you3 shui3 bi3=20

=A5=FD=A4=FD=A5H=AB=D8=B8U=B0=EA=BF=CB=BD=D1=ABJ=A1C
xian1 = wang2 yi3 jian4 wan4 guo2 qin1 zhu1 hou2
 =20

=AA=EC=A4=BB=A1G   = =A6=B3=A7=B7=A4=F1=A4=A7=A1A        = =B5L=A9S=A1C =20 =A6=B3=A7=B7=AC=D5=A6=CE=A1A
chu1 liu4 you3 fu2 bi3 zhi1 wu2 jiu4 = you3 fu2 ying2 fou3=20

=B2=D7=A8=D3=A6=B3=A5L=A6N=A1C
zhong1 lai2 you3 ta1 ji2=20

=B6H=A4=EA=A1G     =20 =A4=F1=A4=A7=AA=EC=A4=BB=A1A        = =A6=B3=A5L=A6N=A4]=A1C
xiang4 yue1 bi3 zhi1=20 chu1 liu4 you3 ta1 ji2 ye3=20

=A4=BB=A4G=A1G = =A4=F1=A4=A7=A6=DB=A4=BA=A1A       = =ADs=A6N=A1C
liu4 er4 bi3 zhi1 zi4=20 nei4 zhen1 ji2=20

=B6H=A4=EA=A1G      = =A4=F1=A4=A7=A6=DB=A4=BA=A1A      = =A4=A3=A6=DB=A5=A2=A4]=A1C=20
xiang4 yue1 bi3 zhi1 zi4 nei4 bu4 zi4 shi1 ye3=20

=A4=BB=A4T=A1G   =A4=F1=A4=A7=AD=EA=A4H=A1C
liu4 san1 = bi3 zhi1 fei3 ren2=20

=B6H=A4=EA=A1G      = =A4=F1=A4=A7=AD=EA=A4H=A1A      =20 =A4=A3=A5=E7=B6=CB=A5G=A1I
xiang4 yue1 bi3 zhi1 fei3 ren2 bu4 yi4 = shang1 hu1=20

=A4=BB=A5|=A1G =A5~=A4=F1=A4=A7=A1A     = =ADs=A6N=A1C
liu4 si4 wai4 bi3 zhi1 zhen1 ji2=20

=B6H=A4=EA=A1G      =20 =A5~=A4=F1=A9=F3=BD=E5=A1A        = =A5H=B1q=A4W=A4]=A1C
xiang4 yue1 wai4 bi3=20 yu2 xian2 yi3 cong2 shang4 ye3=20

=A4E=A4=AD=A1G   =C5=E3=A4=F1=A1A  =20 = =A4=FD=A5=CE=A4T=C5X=A1A        &= nbsp;   =A5=A2=ABe=B8V=A1C=20
jiu3 wu3 xian3 bi3 wang2 yong4 san1 qu1 shi1 qian2 qin2=20

=A8=B6=A4H=A4=A3=BB|=A1A      =A6N=A1C =
yi4 ren2 bu4 jie4 ji2=20

=B6H=A4=EA=A1G       = =C5=E3=A4=F1=A4=A7=A6N=A1A     =20 =A6=EC=A5=BF=A4=A4=A4]=A1C
xiang4 yue1 xian3 bi3 zhi1 ji2 wei4 = zheng4 zhong1 ye3=20 =

=AA=D9=B0f=A8=FA=B6=B6=A1A       &n= bsp; =A5=A2=ABe=B8V=A4]=A1C
she3 ni4=20 qu3 shun4 shi1 qian2 qin2 ye3=20

=A8=B6=A4H=A4=A3=BB|=A1A       = =A4W=A8=CF=A4=A4=A4]=A1C
yi4 ren2 bu4 jie4=20 shang4 shi3 zhong1 ye3=20

=A4W=A4=BB=A1G    =20 = =A4=F1=A4=A7=B5L=AD=BA=A1A        = ;  =A4=BF=A1C
shang4 liu4=20 bi3 zhi1 wu2 shou3 xiong1=20

=B6H=A4=EA=A1G     =20 = =A4=F1=A4=A7=B5L=AD=BA=A1A        = ;  =B5L=A9=D2=B2=D7=A4]=A1C
xiang4=20 yue1 bi3 zhi1 wu2 shou3 wu2 suo3 zhong1 ye3
 
  =
 =20

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