From owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org Tue May 21 10:43:12 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by apocalypse.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g4LEhCK20560 for hexagram-8-outgoing; Tue, 21 May 2002 10:43:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: apocalypse.org: majordom set sender to owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org using -f Received: from relay.planetinternet.be (relay.planetinternet.be [194.119.232.24] (may be forged)) by apocalypse.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g4LEhAO20554 for ; Tue, 21 May 2002 10:43:10 -0400 Received: from Shantam (u195-95-35-164.vpop-antwerpen.planetinternet.be [195.95.35.164]) by relay.planetinternet.be (Postfix) with SMTP id 4ABAC177B1 for ; Tue, 21 May 2002 15:48:20 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <005601c200ce$292f64b0$a4235fc3@Shantam> From: "Danny Van den Berghe" To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020412102551.00aab980@pop3.norton.antivirus> Subject: HEX8: Re: Wang Bi's Commentary Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 15:45:10 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: hexagram-8@apocalypse.org > Hi Folks, > > I'm reading through Wang Bi's commentary on the Yi (as translated by > Richard John Lynn) and I've reached a bit that I'm having difficulty making > sense of. In "Cursory Remarks on Some Hexagrams" for hexagram 28 (Major > Superiority) 011110 (p37) and hexagram 34 (Great Strength) 111100 (p38) he > says "yang lines all occupy yin positions". He uses the same phrase on > both occasions. > > The problem that I have is that I do not see that yang lines *ALL* occupy > yin positions. Take Major Superiority: the 1st yang line is in a yin > position (i.e. the 2nd line of the gua) but the 2nd yang line is in a yang > position (i.e. the 3rd line of the gua). Similarly, the yang line in the > 5th place. > > I appreciate that Wang Bi takes a slightly different view to the character > of the places because he says that the first and sixth places are not > reckoned when considering yin/yang character, but that still leaves the > four nuclear lines. In both of these cases (hex 28 and hex 34) there are > clearly yang lines in yang places. Yet he makes that statement. > > Can anyone shed any light on this? Both misprint and oversight in the > translation seem unlikely to me. > Hi Andreas, My best bet is that the translation is slightly incorrect. It should probably read "yang lines occupy all yin positions" If first and sixth line are not reckoned with then only the 2nd and the 4th line are considered yin positions. Both hex 28 and hex 34 have yang lines in these 2 positions so: "yang lines occupy all yin positions" There are 16 hexagrams which have "yang lines occupy all yin positions" ,if we follow these criteria. With the little bit of (old) Chinese I have seen, I know that the Chinese sentences "yang lines all occupy yin positions" and "yang lines occupy all yin positions" must be very similar or perhaps even the same with the person reading it supposed to know what is being talked about. This is how old Chinese scriptures are continuously mistranslated, and sometimes a small change makes a big difference in meaning... Hope this helps Danny Four Pillars & Feng Shui Software info@fourpillars.net www.fourpillars.net Fax: + (1) 413-771-2403 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. From owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org Wed May 22 13:33:42 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by apocalypse.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g4MHXgi12676 for hexagram-8-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 2002 13:33:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: apocalypse.org: majordom set sender to owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org using -f Received: from smarthost-1.mail.telinco.net (smarthost-1.mail.telinco.net [212.1.128.90]) by apocalypse.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g4MHXfO12672 for ; Wed, 22 May 2002 13:33:41 -0400 Received: from dial-212-1-148-235.access.uk.tiscali.com ([212.1.148.235] helo=weft.telinco.co.uk) by smarthost-1.mail.telinco.net with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 17AZzX-000Jr4-00 for hexagram-8@apocalypse.org; Wed, 22 May 2002 18:33:39 +0100 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020522183214.048dfb90@pop3.norton.antivirus> X-Sender: tfi015829/mail.telinco.co.uk@pop3.norton.antivirus X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 18:32:56 +0100 To: hexagram-8@apocalypse.org From: Andreas Schoter Subject: Re: HEX8: Re: Wang Bi's Commentary In-Reply-To: <005601c200ce$292f64b0$a4235fc3@Shantam> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020412102551.00aab980@pop3.norton.antivirus> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: hexagram-8@apocalypse.org Hi Danny, At 15:45 2002-05-21 +0200, you wrote: >My best bet is that the translation is slightly incorrect. > >It should probably read "yang lines occupy all yin positions" Ha! Yes, I think you're right. A simple change makes sense of it! Thanks Andreas ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE. From owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org Wed May 22 16:26:28 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by apocalypse.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g4MKQSa24489 for hexagram-8-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 2002 16:26:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: apocalypse.org: majordom set sender to owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org using -f Received: from ls405.hinet.hr (ls405.hinet.hr [195.29.150.97]) by apocalypse.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g4MKQQO24485 for ; Wed, 22 May 2002 16:26:27 -0400 Received: from ls401.hinet.hr (ls401.hinet.hr [195.29.150.2]) by ls405.hinet.hr (0.0.0/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g4MKQMA27258 for ; Wed, 22 May 2002 22:26:22 +0200 Received: from lao (ar6-m103.net.hinet.hr [195.29.69.103]) by ls401.hinet.hr (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g4MKQLH07814 for ; Wed, 22 May 2002 22:26:21 +0200 Message-ID: <004601c201cf$1067eea0$67451dc3@lao> From: "Robert Matusan - Boyler" To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020412102551.00aab980@pop3.norton.antivirus> <5.1.0.14.0.20020522183214.048dfb90@pop3.norton.antivirus> Subject: Re: HEX8: Re: Wang Bi's Commentary Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 22:22:53 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-hexagram-8@apocalypse.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: hexagram-8@apocalypse.org Hi Danny, Andreas,... > >My best bet is that the translation is slightly incorrect. > > > >It should probably read "yang lines occupy all yin positions" > > Ha! Yes, I think you're right. A simple change makes sense of it! I agree. It sounds very likely and more in tune with Wang Bi's approach (ignoring first and top line), then what I said. Maybe someone should contact Richard John Lynn. Wansui! Boyler ===== To unsubscribe from Hexagram-8, send a message to majordomo@apocalypse.org from the address subscribed, containing just the word UNSUBSCRIBE.